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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 11/15] pci: Add pci_iomap_shared{,_range}
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 05:54:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210910054044-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <69fc30f4-e3e2-add7-ec13-4db3b9cc0cbd@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 05:23:17PM -0700, Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
> On 8/30/2021 1:59 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > 
> > > Or we can add _audited to the name. ioremap_shared_audited?
> > But it's not the mapping that has to be done in handled special way.
> > It's any data we get from device, not all of it coming from IO, e.g.
> > there's DMA and interrupts that all have to be validated.
> > Wouldn't you say that what is really wanted is just not running
> > unaudited drivers in the first place?
> 
> 
> Yes.

Then ... let's do just that?

> 
> > 
> > > And we've been avoiding that drivers can self declare auditing, we've been
> > > trying to have a separate centralized list so that it's easier to enforce
> > > and avoids any cut'n'paste mistakes.
> > > 
> > > -Andi
> > Now I'm confused. What is proposed here seems to be basically that,
> > drivers need to declare auditing by replacing ioremap with
> > ioremap_shared.
> 
> Auditing is declared on the device model level using a central allow list.

Can we not have an init call allow list instead of, or in addition to, a
device allow list?

> But this cannot do anything to initcalls that run before probe,

Can't we extend module_init so init calls are validated against the
allow list?

> that's why
> an extra level of defense of ioremap opt-in is useful.

OK even assuming this, why is pci_iomap opt-in useful?
That never happens before probe - there's simply no pci_device then.

> But it's not the
> primary mechanism to declare a driver audited, that's the allow list. The
> ioremap is just another mechanism to avoid having to touch a lot of legacy
> drivers.
> 
> If we agree on that then the original proposed semantics of "ioremap_shared"
> may be acceptable?
> 
> -Andi
> 

It looks suspiciously like drivers self-declaring auditing to me which
we both seem to agree is undesirable. What exactly is the difference?

Or are you just trying to disable anything that runs before probe?
In that case I don't see a reason to touch pci drivers though.
These should be fine with just the device model list.

-- 
MST


  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-10  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-05  0:52 [PATCH v4 00/15] Add TDX Guest Support (shared-mm support) Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 01/15] x86/mm: Move force_dma_unencrypted() to common code Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 02/15] x86/tdx: Exclude Shared bit from physical_mask Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 03/15] x86/tdx: Make pages shared in ioremap() Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 04/15] x86/tdx: Add helper to do MapGPA hypercall Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 05/15] x86/tdx: Make DMA pages shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 06/15] x86/kvm: Use bounce buffers for TD guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 07/15] x86/tdx: ioapic: Add shared bit for IOAPIC base address Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 08/15] x86/tdx: Enable shared memory protected guest flags for TDX guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 09/15] pci: Consolidate pci_iomap* and pci_iomap*wc Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-12 19:43   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-12 22:11     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-12 22:29     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 10/15] asm/io.h: Add ioremap_shared fallback Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-12 19:46   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-13  7:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 11/15] pci: Add pci_iomap_shared{,_range} Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-13  8:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-23 23:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24  0:30     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-24  1:04       ` Dan Williams
2021-08-24  2:14         ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24  9:47           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24 17:20             ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 18:55               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-24 20:14                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 20:31                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-24 20:50                     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24 21:05                       ` Dan Williams
2021-08-25 14:52                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-08-24 21:55                 ` Rajat Jain
2021-08-29 15:27               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-29 16:17                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-29 22:26                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-30  5:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-30 20:59                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-31  0:23                         ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-10  9:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-09-10 16:34                             ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-11 23:54                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-13  5:53                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-24 22:43                                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-27  9:07                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-24 21:56         ` Rajat Jain
2021-08-24 21:59           ` Dan Williams
2021-08-24  7:07       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-24 17:04         ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-29 15:34           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-29 16:43             ` Andi Kleen
2021-08-24  9:12       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 12/15] pci: Mark MSI data shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-13  8:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 13/15] virtio: Use shared mappings for virtio PCI devices Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 14/15] x86/tdx: Implement ioremap_shared for x86 Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-08-05  0:52 ` [PATCH v4 15/15] x86/tdx: Add cmdline option to force use of ioremap_shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan

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