From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
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Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/6] driver core: Add common support to skip probe for un-authorized devices
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:00:07 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210930105852-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YVXOc3IbcHsVXUxr@kroah.com>
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 04:49:23PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 10:38:42AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 03:52:52PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 06:59:36AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 06:05:07PM -0700, Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan wrote:
> > > > > While the common case for device-authorization is to skip probe of
> > > > > unauthorized devices, some buses may still want to emit a message on
> > > > > probe failure (Thunderbolt), or base probe failures on the
> > > > > authorization status of a related device like a parent (USB). So add
> > > > > an option (has_probe_authorization) in struct bus_type for the bus
> > > > > driver to own probe authorization policy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reviewed-by: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So what e.g. the PCI patch
> > > > https://lore.kernel.org/all/CACK8Z6E8pjVeC934oFgr=VB3pULx_GyT2NkzAogdRQJ9TKSX9A@mail.gmail.com/
> > > > actually proposes is a list of
> > > > allowed drivers, not devices. Doing it at the device level
> > > > has disadvantages, for example some devices might have a legacy
> > > > unsafe driver, or an out of tree driver. It also does not
> > > > address drivers that poke at hardware during init.
> > >
> > > Doing it at a device level is the only sane way to do this.
> > >
> > > A user needs to say "this device is allowed to be controlled by this
> > > driver". This is the trust model that USB has had for over a decade and
> > > what thunderbolt also has.
> > >
> > > > Accordingly, I think the right thing to do is to skip
> > > > driver init for disallowed drivers, not skip probe
> > > > for specific devices.
> > >
> > > What do you mean by "driver init"? module_init()?
> > >
> > > No driver should be touching hardware in their module init call. They
> > > should only be touching it in the probe callback as that is the only
> > > time they are ever allowed to talk to hardware. Specifically the device
> > > that has been handed to them.
> > >
> > > If there are in-kernel PCI drivers that do not do this, they need to be
> > > fixed today.
> > >
> > > We don't care about out-of-tree drivers for obvious reasons that we have
> > > no control over them.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > greg k-h
> >
> > Well talk to Andi about it pls :)
> > https://lore.kernel.org/r/ad1e41d1-3f4e-8982-16ea-18a3b2c04019%40linux.intel.com
>
> As Alan said, the minute you allow any driver to get into your kernel,
> it can do anything it wants to.
>
> So just don't allow drivers to be added to your kernel if you care about
> these things. The system owner has that mechanism today.
>
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h
The "it" that I referred to is the claim that no driver should be
touching hardware in their module init call. Andi seems to think
such drivers are worth working around with a special remap API.
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-30 15:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-30 1:05 [PATCH v2 0/6] Add device filter support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 1:05 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] driver core: Move the "authorized" attribute from USB/Thunderbolt to core Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 1:42 ` Alan Stern
2021-09-30 1:55 ` Dan Williams
2021-09-30 2:38 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 4:59 ` Dan Williams
2021-09-30 9:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-09-30 14:59 ` Alan Stern
2021-09-30 15:25 ` Dan Williams
2021-09-30 11:19 ` Yehezkel Bernat
2021-09-30 15:28 ` Dan Williams
2021-09-30 18:25 ` Yehezkel Bernat
2021-09-30 19:04 ` Dan Williams
2021-09-30 19:50 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 20:23 ` Dan Williams
2021-09-30 1:05 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] driver core: Add common support to skip probe for un-authorized devices Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 10:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 13:52 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-30 14:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 14:49 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-30 15:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2021-09-30 15:22 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-30 17:17 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-30 17:23 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-30 19:15 ` Andi Kleen
2021-10-01 6:29 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-10-01 15:51 ` Alan Stern
2021-10-01 15:56 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-30 14:43 ` Alan Stern
2021-09-30 14:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 15:32 ` Alan Stern
2021-09-30 15:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 14:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 15:35 ` Alan Stern
2021-09-30 15:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 19:23 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-30 20:44 ` Alan Stern
2021-09-30 20:52 ` Dan Williams
2021-10-01 1:41 ` Alan Stern
2021-10-01 2:20 ` Dan Williams
2021-09-30 21:12 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-30 1:05 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] driver core: Allow arch to initialize the authorized attribute Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 1:05 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] virtio: Initialize authorized attribute for confidential guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 11:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 13:36 ` Dan Williams
2021-09-30 13:49 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-30 15:18 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 15:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-30 15:23 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 15:23 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-30 19:04 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 19:16 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 19:30 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-30 19:40 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-10-01 7:03 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-10-01 15:49 ` Andi Kleen
2021-10-02 11:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-02 11:14 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-10-02 14:20 ` Andi Kleen
2021-10-02 14:44 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-10-02 18:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-03 6:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-10-04 21:04 ` Dan Williams
2021-10-01 16:13 ` Dan Williams
2021-10-01 16:45 ` Alan Stern
2021-10-01 18:09 ` Dan Williams
2021-10-01 19:00 ` Alan Stern
2021-10-01 19:45 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-10-01 19:57 ` Dan Williams
2021-10-04 5:16 ` Mika Westerberg
2021-10-05 22:33 ` Dan Williams
2021-10-06 5:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-09-30 19:25 ` Andi Kleen
2021-09-30 1:05 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] x86/tdx: Add device filter support for x86 TDX guest platform Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-09-30 1:05 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] PCI: Initialize authorized attribute for confidential guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
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