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From: Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>
To: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
Cc: "Alexander Lobakin" <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 02/15] livepatch: use `-z unique-symbol` if available to nuke pos-based search
Date: Mon,  3 Jan 2022 17:06:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220103160615.7904-1-alexandr.lobakin@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.21.2201031447140.15051@pobox.suse.cz>

From: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 14:55:42 +0100 (CET)

> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021, Fāng-ruì Sòng wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 3:11 AM Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 01:21:56AM +0100, Alexander Lobakin wrote:
> > > > [PATCH v9 02/15] livepatch: use `-z unique-symbol` if available to nuke pos-based search
> 
> ...
> 
> > Apologies since I haven't read the patch series.
> > 
> > The option does not exist in ld.lld and I am a bit concerning about
> > its semantics: https://maskray.me/blog/2020-11-15-explain-gnu-linker-options#z-unique-symbol
> > 
> > I thought that someone forwarded my comments (originally posted months
> > on a feature request ago) here but seems not.
> > (I am a ld.lld maintainer.)
> 
> Do you mean 
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210123225928.z5hkmaw6qjs2gu5g@google.com/T/#u 
> ?
> 
> Unfortunately, it did not lead anywhere. I think that '-z unique-symbol' 
> option should work fine as long as the live patching is concerned. Maybe I 
> misunderstood but your concerns mentioned at the blog do not apply. The 
> stability is not an issue for us since we (KLP) always work with already 
> built and fixed kernel. And(at least) GCC already uses number suffices for 
> IPA clones and it has not been a problem anywhere.

LLD doesn't have such an option, so FG-KASLR + livepatching builds
wouldn't be available for LLVM with the current approach (or we'd
still need a stub that prints "FG-KASLR is not compatible with
sympos != 0").
Unfortunately, I discovered this a bit late, just after sending this
revision.

OTOH, there's no easy alternative. <file + function> pair looks
appealing, but is it even possible for now to implement in the
kernel without much refactoring?

>
> Am I wrong?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Miroslav 

Thanks,
Al

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-03 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-23  0:21 [PATCH v9 00/15] Function Granular KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:21 ` [PATCH v9 01/15] modpost: fix removing numeric suffixes Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23 16:19   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-12-27 18:22     ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-27 21:26       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-12-28 17:03         ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-01-03 13:07   ` Miroslav Benes
2021-12-23  0:21 ` [PATCH v9 02/15] livepatch: use `-z unique-symbol` if available to nuke pos-based search Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-30 11:10   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-12-30 18:31     ` Fāng-ruì Sòng
2022-01-03 13:55       ` Miroslav Benes
2022-01-03 16:06         ` Alexander Lobakin [this message]
2022-01-05  3:24           ` Fāng-ruì Sòng
2022-01-03 16:29     ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-01-03 13:44   ` Miroslav Benes
2021-12-23  0:21 ` [PATCH v9 03/15] kallsyms: Hide layout Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-30 22:36   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-03 15:40     ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-01-03 16:59       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-05 18:46   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-12-23  0:21 ` [PATCH v9 04/15] arch: introduce ASM function sections Alexander Lobakin
2022-01-17 21:08   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-17 21:38     ` Nicolas Pitre
2022-01-17 21:55       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-12-23  0:21 ` [PATCH v9 05/15] x86: support " Alexander Lobakin
2022-01-21 15:08   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-26 14:49     ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 06/15] x86: decouple ORC table sorting into a separate file Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 07/15] Makefile: Add build and config option for CONFIG_FG_KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 08/15] x86/tools: Add relative relocs for randomized functions Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 09/15] x86: Add support for function granular KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 10/15] FG-KASLR: use a scripted approach to handle .text.* sections Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 11/15] x86/boot: allow FG-KASLR to be selected Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 12/15] module: Reorder functions Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 13/15] module: use a scripted approach for FG-KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 14/15] Documentation: add documentation " Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23  0:22 ` [PATCH v9 15/15] maintainers: add MAINTAINERS entry " Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23 15:15 ` [PATCH v9 00/15] Function Granular KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-23 15:40   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-24  6:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-12-27 18:33   ` Alexander Lobakin
2021-12-30  9:00     ` Christoph Hellwig

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