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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
Cc: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, jpoimboe@redhat.com,
	joe.lawrence@redhat.com, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] sched,livepatch: call stop_one_cpu in klp_check_and_switch_task
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 13:09:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220509200949.vzx4g5xpebomkok4@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1f94c48b4e0e7d73a689a076f78f0892095b4d89.camel@surriel.com>

On Mon, May 09, 2022 at 03:49:52PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-05-09 at 12:17 -0700, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > On Mon, May 09, 2022 at 03:10:16PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Should kernel threads that can use a lot of CPU have
> > > something in their outer loop to transition KLPs,
> > > just like the idle task does?
> > 
> > Maybe - I suppose this is the first time we've had an issue with
> > CPU-bound kthreads.  I didn't know that was a thing ;-)
> > 
> Kworkers have as much work as you want them to do, and with
> things like btrfs compression that can be quite a bit.

To prevent patching, it would need to be some kind of sustained CPU
activity, rather than a burst.  I guess we haven't seen that show up as
a real-world problem until now.

If you're able to identify which kthreads would be problematic, then
yeah, defining a "transition point" in their outer loops could be an
option.

We could look also at a more general approach, like stack checking from
an irq handler.  But as Petr alluded to, that would be problematic for
CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER.

We could maybe deprecate frame pointers on x86 for live patching, but I
think other arches would have a similar problem unless they were to do
something like the ORC unwinder.

-- 
Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-09 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-07 17:46 [RFC] sched,livepatch: call klp_try_switch_task in __cond_resched Song Liu
2022-05-07 18:26 ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-07 19:04   ` Song Liu
2022-05-07 19:18     ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-08 20:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-09  1:07         ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-09  7:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-09  8:06   ` Song Liu
2022-05-09  9:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-09 14:13       ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-09 15:22         ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-09 15:07 ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-09 16:22   ` Song Liu
2022-05-10  7:56     ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-10 13:33       ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-10 15:44         ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-10 16:07           ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-10 16:52             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-10 18:07               ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-10 18:42                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-10 19:45                   ` Song Liu
2022-05-10 23:04                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-10 23:57                       ` Song Liu
2022-05-11  0:33                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-11  9:24                           ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-11 16:33                             ` Song Liu
2022-05-12  4:07                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-13 12:33                               ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-13 13:34                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-11  0:35                         ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-11  0:37                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-11  0:46                             ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-11  1:12                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-11 18:09                                 ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-12  3:59                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-09 15:52 ` [RFC] sched,livepatch: call stop_one_cpu in klp_check_and_switch_task Rik van Riel
2022-05-09 16:28   ` Song Liu
2022-05-09 18:00   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-09 19:10     ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-09 19:17       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-09 19:49         ` Rik van Riel
2022-05-09 20:09           ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2022-05-10  0:32             ` Song Liu
2022-05-10  9:35               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-10  1:48             ` Rik van Riel

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