From: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 1/8] mm: Introduce memfd_restricted system call to create restricted user memory
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:28:43 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221114152843.ylxe4dis254vrj5u@box.shutemov.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20a11042-2cfb-8f42-9d80-6672e155ca2c@suse.cz>
On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 03:02:37PM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 11/1/22 16:19, Michael Roth wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 07:37:29PM +0800, Chao Peng wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 1) restoring kernel directmap:
> >> >
> >> > Currently SNP (and I believe TDX) need to either split or remove kernel
> >> > direct mappings for restricted PFNs, since there is no guarantee that
> >> > other PFNs within a 2MB range won't be used for non-restricted
> >> > (which will cause an RMP #PF in the case of SNP since the 2MB
> >> > mapping overlaps with guest-owned pages)
> >>
> >> Has the splitting and restoring been a well-discussed direction? I'm
> >> just curious whether there is other options to solve this issue.
> >
> > For SNP it's been discussed for quite some time, and either splitting or
> > removing private entries from directmap are the well-discussed way I'm
> > aware of to avoid RMP violations due to some other kernel process using
> > a 2MB mapping to access shared memory if there are private pages that
> > happen to be within that range.
> >
> > In both cases the issue of how to restore directmap as 2M becomes a
> > problem.
> >
> > I was also under the impression TDX had similar requirements. If so,
> > do you know what the plan is for handling this for TDX?
> >
> > There are also 2 potential alternatives I'm aware of, but these haven't
> > been discussed in much detail AFAIK:
> >
> > a) Ensure confidential guests are backed by 2MB pages. shmem has a way to
> > request 2MB THP pages, but I'm not sure how reliably we can guarantee
> > that enough THPs are available, so if we went that route we'd probably
> > be better off requiring the use of hugetlbfs as the backing store. But
> > obviously that's a bit limiting and it would be nice to have the option
> > of using normal pages as well. One nice thing with invalidation
> > scheme proposed here is that this would "Just Work" if implement
> > hugetlbfs support, so an admin that doesn't want any directmap
> > splitting has this option available, otherwise it's done as a
> > best-effort.
> >
> > b) Implement general support for restoring directmap as 2M even when
> > subpages might be in use by other kernel threads. This would be the
> > most flexible approach since it requires no special handling during
> > invalidations, but I think it's only possible if all the CPA
> > attributes for the 2M range are the same at the time the mapping is
> > restored/unsplit, so some potential locking issues there and still
> > chance for splitting directmap over time.
>
> I've been hoping that
>
> c) using a mechanism such as [1] [2] where the goal is to group together
> these small allocations that need to increase directmap granularity so
> maximum number of large mappings are preserved.
As I mentioned in the other thread the restricted memfd can be backed by
secretmem instead of plain memfd. It already handles directmap with care.
But I don't think it has to be part of initial restricted memfd
implementation. It is SEV-specific requirement and AMD folks can extend
implementation as needed later.
--
Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-14 15:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-25 15:13 [PATCH v9 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM Chao Peng
2022-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v9 1/8] mm: Introduce memfd_restricted system call to create restricted user memory Chao Peng
2022-10-26 17:31 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-10-28 6:12 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-27 10:20 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-31 17:47 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-01 11:37 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-01 15:19 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-01 19:30 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-02 14:53 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-02 21:19 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-14 14:02 ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-11-14 15:28 ` Kirill A. Shutemov [this message]
2022-11-14 22:16 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-15 9:48 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-14 22:16 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-02 21:14 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-11-02 21:26 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-02 22:07 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-03 16:30 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-11-29 0:06 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-29 11:21 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-11-29 11:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-29 13:59 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-29 13:58 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-29 0:37 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-29 14:06 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-29 19:06 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-29 19:18 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-30 9:39 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-30 14:31 ` Michael Roth
2022-11-29 18:01 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-12-02 2:16 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-12-02 6:49 ` Chao Peng
2022-12-02 13:44 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v9 2/8] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-10-27 10:25 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-28 7:04 ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-10-31 14:14 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-14 16:04 ` Alex Bennée
2022-11-15 9:29 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v9 3/8] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT exit Chao Peng
2022-10-25 15:26 ` Peter Maydell
2022-10-25 16:17 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-27 10:27 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-28 6:14 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-15 16:56 ` Alex Bennée
2022-11-16 3:14 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-16 19:03 ` Alex Bennée
2022-11-17 13:45 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-17 15:08 ` Alex Bennée
2022-11-18 1:32 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-18 13:23 ` Alex Bennée
2022-11-18 15:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-22 9:50 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-23 18:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-16 18:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-11-16 18:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-17 13:42 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v9 4/8] KVM: Use gfn instead of hva for mmu_notifier_retry Chao Peng
2022-10-27 10:29 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-11-04 2:28 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-04 22:29 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-08 7:16 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-10 17:53 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-10 20:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-11 8:27 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v9 5/8] KVM: Register/unregister the guest private memory regions Chao Peng
2022-10-27 10:31 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-11-03 23:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-04 8:28 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-04 21:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-08 8:24 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-08 1:35 ` Yuan Yao
2022-11-08 9:41 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-09 5:52 ` Yuan Yao
2022-11-16 22:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-17 13:20 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v9 6/8] KVM: Update lpage info when private/shared memory are mixed Chao Peng
2022-10-26 20:46 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-10-28 6:38 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-08 12:08 ` Yuan Yao
2022-11-09 4:13 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v9 7/8] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-10-26 21:54 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-10-28 6:55 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-01 0:02 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-11-01 11:38 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-16 20:50 ` Ackerley Tng
2022-11-16 22:13 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-17 13:25 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v9 8/8] KVM: Enable and expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-10-27 10:31 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-11-03 12:13 ` [PATCH v9 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM Vishal Annapurve
2022-11-08 0:41 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-11-09 15:54 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-11-15 14:36 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-11-14 11:43 ` Alex Bennée
2022-11-16 5:00 ` Chao Peng
2022-11-16 9:40 ` Alex Bennée
2022-11-17 14:16 ` Chao Peng
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