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It is not uncommon > to see operating systems code written in C++ (notable examples are > Haiku OS, Serenity OS, and Zircon/Fuschia) and I do feel that there > are benefits to C++ for Linux code. Modern C++ (such as C++14 and > newer), offers a lot of nice base language features that can make > some of the kind of stuff that Linux does easier (as H. Peter Anvin > has detailed in his post[1]). Me too. If we are serious considering Rust I think C++20 deserves a fair shake as well. Especially since I heard the C++ working group is apparently looking at future C++ extensions for Rust-esque memory safety these days. I personally think the kernel community would have an easier and more incremental time swallowing C++ than it would Rust, and C++17 is already mature with fully working stable compilers. In particular I feel someone familiar with C would have a easier ramp up to some imagined "kernel C++20 subset" than to Rust. Further, I feell that having a single base line of "all code compiles in a C++20 compiler" and localized variations of what idiomatic style and features different parts use would be ultimately more maintainable than intermixing C and Rust togther. I've also got a fair bit of experience with C++17 and I would add to HPA's note that the modern idiomatic usage of C++17 is *way* different than older versions. If someone was traumatized by early 2000's or 1990's C++ then it is not entirely fair to carry that to modern C++17. Especially when combined with a modern environment with something like clangd to help grok the code. (Though SFINAE is still an inscrutable terror) Jason