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Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([10.150.64.162]) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org with ESMTPSA id Bz6nLBqhn2X0ZQAAD6G6ig (envelope-from ); Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:04:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 09:06:34 +0100 From: Andreas Herrmann To: Neal Gompa Cc: jirislaby@kernel.org, dhowells@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pinskia@gmail.com, kent.overstreet@linux.dev Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/45] C++: Convert the kernel to C++ Message-ID: <20240111080634.GB4609@alberich> References: <938ebce3-74c5-4fcf-9de3-849271d3581d@kernel.org> <20240110130456.142763-1-neal@gompa.dev> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20240110130456.142763-1-neal@gompa.dev> Authentication-Results: smtp-out1.suse.de; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.40 / 50.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVRCPT(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_SIGNED(0.00)[suse.de:s=susede2_rsa,suse.de:s=susede2_ed25519]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; FUZZY_BLOCKED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[kernel.org,redhat.com,zytor.com,vger.kernel.org,gmail.com,linux.dev]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; BAYES_HAM(-0.00)[33.31%] X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.40 On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 08:04:53AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > Hey all, Hi, > I would like to speak in support of this too. It is not uncommon > to see operating systems code written in C++ (notable examples are > Haiku OS, Serenity OS, and Zircon/Fuschia) and I do feel that there > are benefits to C++ for Linux code. Modern C++ (such as C++14 and > newer), offers a lot of nice base language features that can make > some of the kind of stuff that Linux does easier (as H. Peter Anvin > has detailed in his post[1]). > > While I personally have some experience in a variety of programming > languages, C++ and Python are my preferred tools, and I would > personally be much more interested in contributing in C++ than in C. > I imagine there are a lot of other folks out there who feel the same, > but just don't feel like they can say it. I'll stick my neck out for > those who won't. ;) I had some doubts, when I've seen hpa's thread and first I've thought of it rather as a threat. But now this paragraph totally convinced me. > Even though this started out as a "joke"[2], I really would like to > see C++ code permitted in Linux. Great, let University of Minnesota contribute the code. > Thanks in advance and best regards, > Neal > > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/3465e0c6-f5b2-4c42-95eb-29361481f805@zytor.com/ > [2]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/152261521484.30503.16131389653845029164.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk/ > > > -- > 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! PS: IMO, Rust shouldn't have been allowed into the kernel tree (a gut feeling). But who am I. -- Regards, Andreas SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Frankenstrasse 146, 90461 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Ivo Totev, Andrew McDonald, Werner Knoblich (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)