From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1555FC2BAEE for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6264A206BE for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=redhat.com header.i=@redhat.com header.b="CMUA9OTv" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1730412AbgCKRGH (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:06:07 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com ([207.211.31.120]:21941 "EHLO us-smtp-1.mimecast.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729989AbgCKRGH (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:06:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1583946365; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:autocrypt:autocrypt; bh=je90USJKR+qX8CW4PnAIwI3lfXfPD9r1oxUluad12NQ=; b=CMUA9OTvc07frkEPw8empHEcCxv928PMct2clmriKWBNqtMt0RvNFJy02fU9MGIA/oPydf rx2mtL42303ti4ChhhYbPMRUvVEEWjuld0zUxRTgxVBu1sANk0E39cr/qQlm7fxx2ZSgBz fn6zv1PClR4CGNhMG9A7943dTF3LJ3g= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-377-pUS6AdafN8SMKZhswSdNsw-1; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:06:04 -0400 X-MC-Unique: pUS6AdafN8SMKZhswSdNsw-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C51E01050945; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.36.116.132] (ovpn-116-132.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.116.132]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CFE8F37D; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 5/5] mm/memory_hotplug: allow to specify a default online_type To: Vitaly Kuznetsov , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Andrew Morton , Michal Hocko , Oscar Salvador , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Baoquan He , Wei Yang References: <20200311123026.16071-1-david@redhat.com> <20200311123026.16071-6-david@redhat.com> <877dzqsuej.fsf@vitty.brq.redhat.com> From: David Hildenbrand Autocrypt: addr=david@redhat.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFXLn5EBEAC+zYvAFJxCBY9Tr1xZgcESmxVNI/0ffzE/ZQOiHJl6mGkmA1R7/uUpiCjJ dBrn+lhhOYjjNefFQou6478faXE6o2AhmebqT4KiQoUQFV4R7y1KMEKoSyy8hQaK1umALTdL QZLQMzNE74ap+GDK0wnacPQFpcG1AE9RMq3aeErY5tujekBS32jfC/7AnH7I0v1v1TbbK3Gp XNeiN4QroO+5qaSr0ID2sz5jtBLRb15RMre27E1ImpaIv2Jw8NJgW0k/D1RyKCwaTsgRdwuK Kx/Y91XuSBdz0uOyU/S8kM1+ag0wvsGlpBVxRR/xw/E8M7TEwuCZQArqqTCmkG6HGcXFT0V9 PXFNNgV5jXMQRwU0O/ztJIQqsE5LsUomE//bLwzj9IVsaQpKDqW6TAPjcdBDPLHvriq7kGjt WhVhdl0qEYB8lkBEU7V2Yb+SYhmhpDrti9Fq1EsmhiHSkxJcGREoMK/63r9WLZYI3+4W2rAc UucZa4OT27U5ZISjNg3Ev0rxU5UH2/pT4wJCfxwocmqaRr6UYmrtZmND89X0KigoFD/XSeVv jwBRNjPAubK9/k5NoRrYqztM9W6sJqrH8+UWZ1Idd/DdmogJh0gNC0+N42Za9yBRURfIdKSb B3JfpUqcWwE7vUaYrHG1nw54pLUoPG6sAA7Mehl3nd4pZUALHwARAQABtCREYXZpZCBIaWxk ZW5icmFuZCA8ZGF2aWRAcmVkaGF0LmNvbT6JAlgEEwEIAEICGwMFCQlmAYAGCwkIBwMCBhUI AgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAFiEEG9nKrXNcTDpGDfzKTd4Q9wD/g1oFAl3pImkCGQEACgkQTd4Q 9wD/g1o+VA//SFvIHUAvul05u6wKv/pIR6aICPdpF9EIgEU448g+7FfDgQwcEny1pbEzAmiw zAXIQ9H0NZh96lcq+yDLtONnXk/bEYWHHUA014A1wqcYNRY8RvY1+eVHb0uu0KYQoXkzvu+s Dncuguk470XPnscL27hs8PgOP6QjG4jt75K2LfZ0eAqTOUCZTJxA8A7E9+XTYuU0hs7QVrWJ jQdFxQbRMrYz7uP8KmTK9/Cnvqehgl4EzyRaZppshruKMeyheBgvgJd5On1wWq4ZUV5PFM4x II3QbD3EJfWbaJMR55jI9dMFa+vK7MFz3rhWOkEx/QR959lfdRSTXdxs8V3zDvChcmRVGN8U Vo93d1YNtWnA9w6oCW1dnDZ4kgQZZSBIjp6iHcA08apzh7DPi08jL7M9UQByeYGr8KuR4i6e RZI6xhlZerUScVzn35ONwOC91VdYiQgjemiVLq1WDDZ3B7DIzUZ4RQTOaIWdtXBWb8zWakt/ ztGhsx0e39Gvt3391O1PgcA7ilhvqrBPemJrlb9xSPPRbaNAW39P8ws/UJnzSJqnHMVxbRZC Am4add/SM+OCP0w3xYss1jy9T+XdZa0lhUvJfLy7tNcjVG/sxkBXOaSC24MFPuwnoC9WvCVQ ZBxouph3kqc4Dt5X1EeXVLeba+466P1fe1rC8MbcwDkoUo65Ag0EVcufkQEQAOfX3n0g0fZz Bgm/S2zF/kxQKCEKP8ID+Vz8sy2GpDvveBq4H2Y34XWsT1zLJdvqPI4af4ZSMxuerWjXbVWb T6d4odQIG0fKx4F8NccDqbgHeZRNajXeeJ3R7gAzvWvQNLz4piHrO/B4tf8svmRBL0ZB5P5A 2uhdwLU3NZuK22zpNn4is87BPWF8HhY0L5fafgDMOqnf4guJVJPYNPhUFzXUbPqOKOkL8ojk CXxkOFHAbjstSK5Ca3fKquY3rdX3DNo+EL7FvAiw1mUtS+5GeYE+RMnDCsVFm/C7kY8c2d0G NWkB9pJM5+mnIoFNxy7YBcldYATVeOHoY4LyaUWNnAvFYWp08dHWfZo9WCiJMuTfgtH9tc75 7QanMVdPt6fDK8UUXIBLQ2TWr/sQKE9xtFuEmoQGlE1l6bGaDnnMLcYu+Asp3kDT0w4zYGsx 5r6XQVRH4+5N6eHZiaeYtFOujp5n+pjBaQK7wUUjDilPQ5QMzIuCL4YjVoylWiBNknvQWBXS lQCWmavOT9sttGQXdPCC5ynI+1ymZC1ORZKANLnRAb0NH/UCzcsstw2TAkFnMEbo9Zu9w7Kv AxBQXWeXhJI9XQssfrf4Gusdqx8nPEpfOqCtbbwJMATbHyqLt7/oz/5deGuwxgb65pWIzufa N7eop7uh+6bezi+rugUI+w6DABEBAAGJAiUEGAECAA8FAlXLn5ECGwwFCQlmAYAACgkQTd4Q 9wD/g1qA6w/+M+ggFv+JdVsz5+ZIc6MSyGUozASX+bmIuPeIecc9UsFRatc91LuJCKMkD9Uv GOcWSeFpLrSGRQ1Z7EMzFVU//qVs6uzhsNk0RYMyS0B6oloW3FpyQ+zOVylFWQCzoyyf227y GW8HnXunJSC+4PtlL2AY4yZjAVAPLK2l6mhgClVXTQ/S7cBoTQKP+jvVJOoYkpnFxWE9pn4t H5QIFk7Ip8TKr5k3fXVWk4lnUi9MTF/5L/mWqdyIO1s7cjharQCstfWCzWrVeVctpVoDfJWp 4LwTuQ5yEM2KcPeElLg5fR7WB2zH97oI6/Ko2DlovmfQqXh9xWozQt0iGy5tWzh6I0JrlcxJ ileZWLccC4XKD1037Hy2FLAjzfoWgwBLA6ULu0exOOdIa58H4PsXtkFPrUF980EEibUp0zFz GotRVekFAceUaRvAj7dh76cToeZkfsjAvBVb4COXuhgX6N4pofgNkW2AtgYu1nUsPAo+NftU CxrhjHtLn4QEBpkbErnXQyMjHpIatlYGutVMS91XTQXYydCh5crMPs7hYVsvnmGHIaB9ZMfB njnuI31KBiLUks+paRkHQlFcgS2N3gkRBzH7xSZ+t7Re3jvXdXEzKBbQ+dC3lpJB0wPnyMcX FOTT3aZT7IgePkt5iC/BKBk3hqKteTnJFeVIT7EC+a6YUFg= Organization: Red Hat GmbH Message-ID: <2586b3aa-42aa-c8e1-837d-5ba76f3de30c@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 18:05:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <877dzqsuej.fsf@vitty.brq.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 11.03.20 17:55, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote: > David Hildenbrand writes: >=20 >> For now, distributions implement advanced udev rules to essentially >> - Don't online any hotplugged memory (s390x) >> - Online all memory to ZONE_NORMAL (e.g., most virt environments like >> hyperv) >> - Online all memory to ZONE_MOVABLE in case the zone imbalance is take= n >> care of (e.g., bare metal, special virt environments) >> >> In summary: All memory is usually onlined the same way, however, the >> kernel always has to ask userspace to come up with the same answer. >> E.g., HyperV always waits for a memory block to get onlined before >> continuing, otherwise it might end up adding memory faster than >> hotplugging it, which can result in strange OOM situations. >> >> Let's allow to specify a default online_type, not just "online" and >> "offline". This allows distributions to configure the default online_t= ype >> when booting up and be done with it. >> >> We can now specify "offline", "online", "online_movable" and >> "online_kernel" via >> - "memhp_default_state=3D" on the kernel cmdline >> - /sys/devices/systemn/memory/auto_online_blocks >> just like we are able to specify for a single memory block via >> /sys/devices/systemn/memory/memoryX/state >> >=20 > Thank you for picking this up!=20 >=20 > It's been awhile since I've added CONFIG_MEMORY_HOTPLUG_DEFAULT_ONLINE > but I vaguely recall one problem: memory hotplug may happen *very* earl= y > (just because some memory is presented to a VM as hotplug memory, it is > not in e820). It happens way before we launch userspace (including > udev). The question is -- which ZONE will this memory be assigned too? If it's added via add_memory() ("hot/cold plugged memory") like ACPI DIMMs not part of e820, Hyper-V balloon added memory, XEN balloon added memory, s390x standby memory etc. the memory will be onlined as configured via memhp_default_online_type. Assume that one is set to "offline". *If* userspace changes memhp_default_online_type (as in my script in the cover letter), userspace has to online all memory that has been added before userspace was active itself (again, as done in my script). Memory not added via add_memory() is considered "initial memory" and not as hot/cold plugged memory. Same handling as for now using udev rules. (once userspace is up, udev rules for all early added memory is triggered as well) >=20 > 'memhp_default_state=3D' resolves the issue but nobody likes additional > kernel parameters for anything but > debug. CONFIG_MEMORY_HOTPLUG_DEFAULT_ONLINE was supposed to help, but i= t > is binary and distro-wide (so *all* deployments will get the same > default and as you validly stated we want it differently). >=20 > We could've added something like your example onlining script to the > kernel itself but this is likely going to be hard to sell: "policies > belong to userspace!" will likely be the answer.=20 Exactly my thought. --=20 Thanks, David / dhildenb