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From: Nish Aravamudan <nish.aravamudan@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	kernel@kolivas.org, pavel@suse.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dynamic-hz
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:54:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <29495f1d041213195451677dab@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041213032521.702efe2f.akpm@osdl.org>

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:25:21 -0800, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:
> Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > The patch only does HZ at dynamic time. But of course it's absolutely
> >  trivial to define it at compile time, it's probably a 3 liner on top of
> >  my current patch ;). However personally I don't think the three liner
> >  will worth the few seconds more spent configuring the kernel ;).
> 
> We still have 1000-odd places which do things like
> 
>         schedule_timeout(HZ/10);

Yes, yes, we do :) I replaced far more than I ever thought I could...
There are a few issues I have with the remaining schedule_timeout()
calls which I think fit ok with this thread... I'd especially like
your input, Andrew, as you end up getting most of my patches from KJ.

Many drivers use

set_current_state(TASK_{UN,}INTERRUPTIBLE);
schedule_timeout(1); // or some other small value < 10

This may or may not hide a dependency on a particular HZ value. If the
code is somewhat old, perhaps the author intended the task to sleep
for 1 jiffy when HZ was equal to 100. That meants that they ended up
sleeping for 10 ms. If the code is new, the author intends that the
task sleeps for 1 ms (HZ==1000). The question is, what should the
replacement be?

If they really meant to use schedule_timeout(1) in the sense of
highest resolution delay possible (the latter above), then they
probably should just call schedule() directly. schedule_timeout(1)
simply sets up a timer to fire off after 1 jiffy & then calls
schedule() itself. The overhead of setting up a timer and the
execution of schedule() itself probably means that the timer will go
off in the middle of the schedule() call or very shortly thereafter (I
think). In which case, it makes more sense to use schedule()
directly...

If they meant to schedule a delay of 10ms, then msleep() should be
used in those cases. msleep() will also resolve the issues with 0-time
timeouts because of rounding, as it adds 1 to the converted parameter.

Obviously, changing more and more sleeps to msecs & secs will really
help make the changing of HZ more transparent. And specifying the time
in real time units just seems so much clearer to me.

What do people think?

-Nish

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-12-14  3:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-11 14:23 dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-11 14:50 ` dynamic-hz Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-12  6:57   ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-11 21:41 ` dynamic-hz Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-12 16:35 ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-12 22:23   ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-12 23:36     ` dynamic-hz Con Kolivas
2004-12-12 23:42       ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13  0:09         ` dynamic-hz Con Kolivas
2004-12-13  8:37           ` dynamic-hz Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-13 10:43           ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 11:08             ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 19:36               ` dynamic-hz john stultz
2004-12-12 23:43       ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13  0:18         ` dynamic-hz Con Kolivas
2004-12-13  0:27           ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13  1:50             ` dynamic-hz Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-13 11:28               ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 12:43                 ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 12:58                   ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 19:12                     ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 20:34                       ` dynamic-hz john stultz
2004-12-13 20:49                         ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-14  2:04                           ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]                           ` <20041214013924.GB14617@atomide.com>
2004-12-14  9:37                             ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-14 21:18                               ` dynamic-hz Tony Lindgren
2004-12-14 22:06                                 ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-14 23:00                                   ` dynamic-hz linux-os
2004-12-14 23:13                                     ` dynamic-hz Tony Lindgren
2004-12-22 20:02                                       ` dynamic-hz Tony Lindgren
2004-12-14 23:04                                   ` dynamic-hz Tony Lindgren
2004-12-14  2:46                         ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14 19:24                           ` dynamic-hz john stultz
2004-12-14  2:36                       ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14  9:39                         ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-14  9:59                         ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-14 15:25                           ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14 22:02                             ` USB making time drift [was Re: dynamic-hz] Pavel Machek
2004-12-14 23:16                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-15  2:59                                 ` Gene Heskett
2004-12-15  9:17                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-15 16:44                                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-12-15 18:20                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-16  1:59                                         ` Gene Heskett
2004-12-16 11:30                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-16 12:50                                           ` Alan Cox
2004-12-15 20:16                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-16  2:02                                         ` Gene Heskett
2004-12-15 17:03                                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-12-15 17:48                                       ` Tim Schmielau
2004-12-16  2:03                                         ` Gene Heskett
2004-12-16  0:58                                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-16  2:33                                   ` john stultz
2004-12-16  1:15                               ` Time goes crazy in 2.6.9 after long cli [was Re: USB making time drift] Pavel Machek
2004-12-16 11:13                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-16 12:49                                   ` Alan Cox
2004-12-13 14:50                 ` dynamic-hz Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-13  7:43       ` dynamic-hz Stefan Seyfried
2004-12-13 13:58         ` dynamic-hz Russell King
2004-12-13 14:14           ` dynamic-hz Russell King
2004-12-13 14:52           ` dynamic-hz Alan Cox
2004-12-13 16:23             ` dynamic-hz Russell King
2004-12-13 17:53               ` dynamic-hz Michael Buesch
2004-12-13 18:04                 ` dynamic-hz Russell King
2004-12-13 19:04               ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 20:11               ` dynamic-hz Russell King
2004-12-14  0:16             ` dynamic-hz Eric St-Laurent
2004-12-15 18:04               ` dynamic-hz Alan Cox
2004-12-15 19:54                 ` dynamic-hz linux-os
2004-12-16  2:17                   ` dynamic-hz Gene Heskett
2004-12-16 12:42                     ` dynamic-hz linux-os
2004-12-17 20:12                     ` dynamic-hz H. Peter Anvin
2004-12-16  9:10                 ` dynamic-hz Gabriel Paubert
2004-12-16 12:17                   ` dynamic-hz Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-12-16 14:00                   ` dynamic-hz Mitchell Blank Jr
2004-12-13 15:30           ` dynamic-hz Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-13 15:59             ` dynamic-hz Russell King
2004-12-13 16:14               ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 16:06           ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 16:19         ` dynamic-hz Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-13  8:29       ` dynamic-hz Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-14 22:54         ` dynamic-hz Lee Revell
2004-12-14 23:38           ` dynamic-hz Chris Friesen
2004-12-15  8:32             ` dynamic-hz Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-13 11:02       ` dynamic-hz Andrew Morton
2004-12-13 11:17         ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 11:25           ` dynamic-hz Andrew Morton
2004-12-13 11:47             ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14  3:56               ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-14  3:54             ` Nish Aravamudan [this message]
2004-12-14  4:29               ` dynamic-hz Andrew Morton
2004-12-14  5:25                 ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-17 20:10                 ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-14 10:01               ` dynamic-hz Domen Puncer
2004-12-14 16:56                 ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-14 14:23               ` dynamic-hz linux-os
2004-12-14 16:54                 ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-14 17:15                   ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14 17:42                     ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-14 18:29                       ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14 19:00                         ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-14 18:22                     ` dynamic-hz linux-os
2004-12-14 18:38                       ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14 18:50                       ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 11:19         ` dynamic-hz Hans Kristian Rosbach
2004-12-13 11:22           ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 11:39             ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 12:51             ` dynamic-hz Hans Kristian Rosbach
2004-12-13 13:01               ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 13:02                 ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 15:06               ` dynamic-hz Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-12-13 16:12                 ` dynamic-hz Pavel Machek
2004-12-13 16:14                   ` dynamic-hz Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-12-14  4:06                   ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-14  4:05               ` dynamic-hz Nish Aravamudan
2004-12-13 11:33           ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 14:38           ` dynamic-hz Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-12-13 12:00       ` dynamic-hz Alan Cox
2004-12-13 15:52         ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-14 22:28       ` dynamic-hz Lee Revell
2004-12-14 22:40         ` dynamic-hz Con Kolivas
2004-12-14 22:50           ` dynamic-hz Lee Revell
2004-12-13 20:26 ` dynamic-hz Olaf Hering
2004-12-13 22:41   ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-13 20:56 ` dynamic-hz john stultz
2004-12-13 22:21   ` dynamic-hz Andrea Arcangeli

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