From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: YiFei Zhu <zhuyifei1999@gmail.com>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
YiFei Zhu <yifeifz2@illinois.edu>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
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Jack Chen <jianyan2@illinois.edu>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Josep Torrellas <torrella@illinois.edu>,
Tianyin Xu <tyxu@illinois.edu>,
Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum <tobin@ibm.com>,
Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.pizza>,
Valentin Rothberg <vrothber@redhat.com>,
Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 seccomp 3/6] seccomp/cache: Add "emulator" to check if filter is arg-dependent
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 12:51:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2FA23A2E-16B0-4E08-96D5-6D6FE45BBCF6@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202009251223.8E46C831E2@keescook>
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:45:05AM -0500, YiFei Zhu wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:04 PM YiFei Zhu <zhuyifei1999@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Why do the prepare here instead of during attach? (And note that it
>>>> should not be written to fail.)
>>>
>>> Right.
>>
>> During attach a spinlock (current->sighand->siglock) is held. Do we
>> really want to put the emulator in the "atomic section"?
>
> It's a good point, but I had some other ideas around it that lead to me
> a different conclusion. Here's what I've got in my head:
>
> I don't view filter attach (nor the siglock) as fastpath: the lock is
> rarely contested and the "long time" will only be during filter attach.
>
> When performing filter emulation, all the syscalls that are already
> marked as "must run filter" on the previous filter can be skipped for
> the new filter, since it cannot change the outcome, which makes the
> emulation step faster.
>
> The previous filter's bitmap isn't "stable" until siglock is held.
>
> If we do the emulation step before siglock, we have to always do full
> evaluation of all syscalls, and then merge the bitmap during attach.
> That means all filters ever attached will take maximal time to perform
> emulation.
>
> I prefer the idea of the emulation step taking advantage of the bitmap
> optimization, since the kernel spends less time doing work over the life
> of the process tree. It's certainly marginal, but it also lets all the
> bitmap manipulation stay in one place (as opposed to being split between
> "prepare" and "attach").
>
> What do you think?
>
>
I’m wondering if we should be much much lazier. We could potentially wait until someone actually tries to do a given syscall before we try to evaluate whether the result is fixed.
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2020-09-21 8:30 ` [RFC PATCH seccomp 0/2] seccomp: Add bitmap cache of arg-independent filter results that allow syscalls Christian Brauner
2020-09-21 8:44 ` YiFei Zhu
[not found] ` <20200921135115.GC3794348@cisco>
2020-09-21 15:27 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-21 16:39 ` Tycho Andersen
2020-09-21 22:57 ` YiFei Zhu
[not found] ` <6af89348c08a4820039e614a090d35aa1583acff.1600661419.git.yifeifz2@illinois.edu>
2020-09-21 17:47 ` [RFC PATCH seccomp 1/2] seccomp/cache: Add "emulator" to check if filter is arg-dependent Jann Horn
2020-09-21 18:38 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-21 23:44 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-22 0:25 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-22 0:47 ` YiFei Zhu
[not found] ` <b792335294ee5598d0fb42702a49becbce2f925f.1600661419.git.yifeifz2@illinois.edu>
2020-09-21 18:08 ` [RFC PATCH seccomp 2/2] seccomp/cache: Cache filter results that allow syscalls Jann Horn
2020-09-21 22:50 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-21 22:57 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-21 23:08 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-25 0:01 ` [PATCH v2 seccomp 2/6] asm/syscall.h: Add syscall_arches[] array Kees Cook
2020-09-25 0:15 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-25 0:18 ` Al Viro
2020-09-25 0:24 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-25 1:27 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-25 3:09 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-25 3:28 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-25 16:39 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-21 19:16 ` [RFC PATCH seccomp 0/2] seccomp: Add bitmap cache of arg-independent filter results that allow syscalls Jann Horn
[not found] ` <OF8837FC1A.5C0D4D64-ON852585EA.006B677F-852585EA.006BA663@notes.na.collabserv.com>
2020-09-21 19:45 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-24 12:06 ` [PATCH seccomp 0/6] " YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:06 ` [PATCH seccomp 1/6] seccomp: Move config option SECCOMP to arch/Kconfig YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:06 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:06 ` [PATCH seccomp 2/6] asm/syscall.h: Add syscall_arches[] array YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:06 ` [PATCH seccomp 3/6] seccomp/cache: Add "emulator" to check if filter is arg-dependent YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:06 ` [PATCH seccomp 4/6] seccomp/cache: Lookup syscall allowlist for fast path YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:06 ` [PATCH seccomp 5/6] selftests/seccomp: Compare bitmap vs filter overhead YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:06 ` [PATCH seccomp 6/6] seccomp/cache: Report cache data through /proc/pid/seccomp_cache YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v2 seccomp 0/6] seccomp: Add bitmap cache of arg-independent filter results that allow syscalls YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v2 seccomp 1/6] seccomp: Move config option SECCOMP to arch/Kconfig YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 19:11 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-27 9:52 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-10-27 19:08 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-28 0:06 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-28 8:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-10-28 9:34 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v2 seccomp 2/6] asm/syscall.h: Add syscall_arches[] array YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 13:47 ` David Laight
2020-09-24 14:16 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 14:20 ` David Laight
2020-09-24 14:37 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 16:02 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v2 seccomp 3/6] seccomp/cache: Add "emulator" to check if filter is arg-dependent YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 23:25 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-25 3:04 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-25 16:45 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-25 19:42 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-25 19:51 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2020-09-25 20:37 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-25 21:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-25 23:49 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-26 0:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-26 1:23 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-26 2:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-26 4:35 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v2 seccomp 4/6] seccomp/cache: Lookup syscall allowlist for fast path YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 23:46 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-25 1:55 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v2 seccomp 5/6] selftests/seccomp: Compare bitmap vs filter overhead YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 23:47 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-25 1:35 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 12:44 ` [PATCH v2 seccomp 6/6] seccomp/cache: Report cache data through /proc/pid/seccomp_cache YiFei Zhu
2020-09-24 23:56 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-25 3:11 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-25 3:26 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-30 15:19 ` [PATCH v3 seccomp 0/5] seccomp: Add bitmap cache of constant allow filter results YiFei Zhu
2020-09-30 15:19 ` [PATCH v3 seccomp 1/5] x86: Enable seccomp architecture tracking YiFei Zhu
2020-09-30 21:21 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-30 21:33 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-30 22:53 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-30 23:15 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-30 15:19 ` [PATCH v3 seccomp 2/5] seccomp/cache: Add "emulator" to check if filter is constant allow YiFei Zhu
2020-09-30 22:24 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-30 22:49 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-01 11:28 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-01 21:08 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-30 22:40 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-01 11:52 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-01 21:05 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-02 11:08 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 4:47 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 5:41 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-30 15:19 ` [PATCH v3 seccomp 3/5] seccomp/cache: Lookup syscall allowlist for fast path YiFei Zhu
2020-09-30 21:32 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-09 0:17 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 5:35 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-30 15:19 ` [PATCH v3 seccomp 4/5] selftests/seccomp: Compare bitmap vs filter overhead YiFei Zhu
2020-09-30 15:19 ` [PATCH v3 seccomp 5/5] seccomp/cache: Report cache data through /proc/pid/seccomp_cache YiFei Zhu
2020-09-30 22:00 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-30 23:12 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-01 12:06 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-01 16:05 ` Jann Horn
2020-10-01 16:18 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-09-30 22:59 ` Kees Cook
2020-09-30 23:08 ` Jann Horn
2020-09-30 23:21 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-09 17:14 ` [PATCH v4 seccomp 0/5] seccomp: Add bitmap cache of constant allow filter results YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 17:14 ` [PATCH v4 seccomp 1/5] seccomp/cache: Lookup syscall allowlist bitmap for fast path YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 21:30 ` Jann Horn
2020-10-09 23:18 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-09 17:14 ` [PATCH v4 seccomp 2/5] seccomp/cache: Add "emulator" to check if filter is constant allow YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 21:30 ` Jann Horn
2020-10-09 22:47 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-09 17:14 ` [PATCH v4 seccomp 3/5] x86: Enable seccomp architecture tracking YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 17:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-10-09 18:32 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 20:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-10-09 17:14 ` [PATCH v4 seccomp 4/5] selftests/seccomp: Compare bitmap vs filter overhead YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 17:14 ` [PATCH v4 seccomp 5/5] seccomp/cache: Report cache data through /proc/pid/seccomp_cache YiFei Zhu
2020-10-09 21:24 ` kernel test robot
2020-10-09 21:45 ` Jann Horn
2020-10-09 23:14 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-10 13:26 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-12 22:57 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-13 0:31 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-22 20:52 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-22 22:32 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-22 23:40 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-10-24 2:51 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-30 12:18 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-11-03 13:00 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-11-04 0:29 ` Kees Cook
2020-11-04 11:40 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-11-04 18:57 ` Kees Cook
2020-10-11 15:47 ` [PATCH v5 seccomp 0/5]seccomp: Add bitmap cache of constant allow filter results YiFei Zhu
2020-10-11 15:47 ` [PATCH v5 seccomp 1/5] seccomp/cache: Lookup syscall allowlist bitmap for fast path YiFei Zhu
2020-10-12 6:42 ` Jann Horn
2020-10-11 15:47 ` [PATCH v5 seccomp 2/5] seccomp/cache: Add "emulator" to check if filter is constant allow YiFei Zhu
2020-10-12 6:46 ` Jann Horn
2020-10-11 15:47 ` [PATCH v5 seccomp 3/5] x86: Enable seccomp architecture tracking YiFei Zhu
2020-10-11 15:47 ` [PATCH v5 seccomp 4/5] selftests/seccomp: Compare bitmap vs filter overhead YiFei Zhu
2020-10-11 15:47 ` [PATCH v5 seccomp 5/5] seccomp/cache: Report cache data through /proc/pid/seccomp_cache YiFei Zhu
2020-10-12 6:49 ` Jann Horn
2020-12-17 12:14 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-12-17 18:34 ` YiFei Zhu
2020-12-18 12:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-10-27 19:14 ` [PATCH v5 seccomp 0/5]seccomp: Add bitmap cache of constant allow filter results Kees Cook
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