From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C61C432C1 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE8A20673 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2439465AbfIXR2e (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:28:34 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:35848 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729883AbfIXR2e (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:28:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx08.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2544E85362; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.36.116.245] (ovpn-116-245.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.116.245]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A88619C58; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 0/6] mm / virtio: Provide support for unused page reporting To: Alexander Duyck Cc: Michal Hocko , virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, kvm list , "Michael S. Tsirkin" , Dave Hansen , LKML , Matthew Wilcox , linux-mm , Vlastimil Babka , Andrew Morton , Mel Gorman , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, Oscar Salvador , Yang Zhang , Pankaj Gupta , Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk , Nitesh Narayan Lal , Rik van Riel , lcapitulino@redhat.com, "Wang, Wei W" , Andrea Arcangeli , Paolo Bonzini , Dan Williams , Alexander Duyck References: <20190918175109.23474.67039.stgit@localhost.localdomain> <20190924142342.GX23050@dhcp22.suse.cz> From: David Hildenbrand Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=david@redhat.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFXLn5EBEAC+zYvAFJxCBY9Tr1xZgcESmxVNI/0ffzE/ZQOiHJl6mGkmA1R7/uUpiCjJ dBrn+lhhOYjjNefFQou6478faXE6o2AhmebqT4KiQoUQFV4R7y1KMEKoSyy8hQaK1umALTdL QZLQMzNE74ap+GDK0wnacPQFpcG1AE9RMq3aeErY5tujekBS32jfC/7AnH7I0v1v1TbbK3Gp XNeiN4QroO+5qaSr0ID2sz5jtBLRb15RMre27E1ImpaIv2Jw8NJgW0k/D1RyKCwaTsgRdwuK Kx/Y91XuSBdz0uOyU/S8kM1+ag0wvsGlpBVxRR/xw/E8M7TEwuCZQArqqTCmkG6HGcXFT0V9 PXFNNgV5jXMQRwU0O/ztJIQqsE5LsUomE//bLwzj9IVsaQpKDqW6TAPjcdBDPLHvriq7kGjt WhVhdl0qEYB8lkBEU7V2Yb+SYhmhpDrti9Fq1EsmhiHSkxJcGREoMK/63r9WLZYI3+4W2rAc UucZa4OT27U5ZISjNg3Ev0rxU5UH2/pT4wJCfxwocmqaRr6UYmrtZmND89X0KigoFD/XSeVv jwBRNjPAubK9/k5NoRrYqztM9W6sJqrH8+UWZ1Idd/DdmogJh0gNC0+N42Za9yBRURfIdKSb B3JfpUqcWwE7vUaYrHG1nw54pLUoPG6sAA7Mehl3nd4pZUALHwARAQABzSREYXZpZCBIaWxk ZW5icmFuZCA8ZGF2aWRAcmVkaGF0LmNvbT7CwX4EEwECACgFAljj9eoCGwMFCQlmAYAGCwkI BwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEE3eEPcA/4Na5IIP/3T/FIQMxIfNzZshIq687qgG 8UbspuE/YSUDdv7r5szYTK6KPTlqN8NAcSfheywbuYD9A4ZeSBWD3/NAVUdrCaRP2IvFyELj xoMvfJccbq45BxzgEspg/bVahNbyuBpLBVjVWwRtFCUEXkyazksSv8pdTMAs9IucChvFmmq3 jJ2vlaz9lYt/lxN246fIVceckPMiUveimngvXZw21VOAhfQ+/sofXF8JCFv2mFcBDoa7eYob s0FLpmqFaeNRHAlzMWgSsP80qx5nWWEvRLdKWi533N2vC/EyunN3HcBwVrXH4hxRBMco3jvM m8VKLKao9wKj82qSivUnkPIwsAGNPdFoPbgghCQiBjBe6A75Z2xHFrzo7t1jg7nQfIyNC7ez MZBJ59sqA9EDMEJPlLNIeJmqslXPjmMFnE7Mby/+335WJYDulsRybN+W5rLT5aMvhC6x6POK z55fMNKrMASCzBJum2Fwjf/VnuGRYkhKCqqZ8gJ3OvmR50tInDV2jZ1DQgc3i550T5JDpToh dPBxZocIhzg+MBSRDXcJmHOx/7nQm3iQ6iLuwmXsRC6f5FbFefk9EjuTKcLMvBsEx+2DEx0E UnmJ4hVg7u1PQ+2Oy+Lh/opK/BDiqlQ8Pz2jiXv5xkECvr/3Sv59hlOCZMOaiLTTjtOIU7Tq 7ut6OL64oAq+zsFNBFXLn5EBEADn1959INH2cwYJv0tsxf5MUCghCj/CA/lc/LMthqQ773ga uB9mN+F1rE9cyyXb6jyOGn+GUjMbnq1o121Vm0+neKHUCBtHyseBfDXHA6m4B3mUTWo13nid 0e4AM71r0DS8+KYh6zvweLX/LL5kQS9GQeT+QNroXcC1NzWbitts6TZ+IrPOwT1hfB4WNC+X 2n4AzDqp3+ILiVST2DT4VBc11Gz6jijpC/KI5Al8ZDhRwG47LUiuQmt3yqrmN63V9wzaPhC+ xbwIsNZlLUvuRnmBPkTJwwrFRZvwu5GPHNndBjVpAfaSTOfppyKBTccu2AXJXWAE1Xjh6GOC 8mlFjZwLxWFqdPHR1n2aPVgoiTLk34LR/bXO+e0GpzFXT7enwyvFFFyAS0Nk1q/7EChPcbRb hJqEBpRNZemxmg55zC3GLvgLKd5A09MOM2BrMea+l0FUR+PuTenh2YmnmLRTro6eZ/qYwWkC u8FFIw4pT0OUDMyLgi+GI1aMpVogTZJ70FgV0pUAlpmrzk/bLbRkF3TwgucpyPtcpmQtTkWS gDS50QG9DR/1As3LLLcNkwJBZzBG6PWbvcOyrwMQUF1nl4SSPV0LLH63+BrrHasfJzxKXzqg rW28CTAE2x8qi7e/6M/+XXhrsMYG+uaViM7n2je3qKe7ofum3s4vq7oFCPsOgwARAQABwsFl BBgBAgAPBQJVy5+RAhsMBQkJZgGAAAoJEE3eEPcA/4NagOsP/jPoIBb/iXVbM+fmSHOjEshl KMwEl/m5iLj3iHnHPVLBUWrXPdS7iQijJA/VLxjnFknhaS60hkUNWexDMxVVP/6lbOrs4bDZ NEWDMktAeqJaFtxackPszlcpRVkAs6Msn9tu8hlvB517pyUgvuD7ZS9gGOMmYwFQDyytpepo YApVV00P0u3AaE0Cj/o71STqGJKZxcVhPaZ+LR+UCBZOyKfEyq+ZN311VpOJZ1IvTExf+S/5 lqnciDtbO3I4Wq0ArLX1gs1q1XlXLaVaA3yVqeC8E7kOchDNinD3hJS4OX0e1gdsx/e6COvy qNg5aL5n0Kl4fcVqM0LdIhsubVs4eiNCa5XMSYpXmVi3HAuFyg9dN+x8thSwI836FoMASwOl C7tHsTjnSGufB+D7F7ZBT61BffNBBIm1KdMxcxqLUVXpBQHHlGkbwI+3Ye+nE6HmZH7IwLwV W+Ajl7oYF+jeKaH4DZFtgLYGLtZ1LDwKPjX7VAsa4Yx7S5+EBAaZGxK510MjIx6SGrZWBrrV TEvdV00F2MnQoeXKzD7O4WFbL55hhyGgfWTHwZ457iN9SgYi1JLPqWkZB0JRXIEtjd4JEQcx +8Umfre0Xt4713VxMygW0PnQt5aSQdMD58jHFxTk092mU+yIHj5LeYgvwSgZN4airXk5yRXl SE+xAvmumFBY Organization: Red Hat GmbH Message-ID: <2fc579f6-9096-4162-9980-1f7f22c5f4ae@redhat.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 19:28:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.23 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]); Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 24.09.19 19:07, Alexander Duyck wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:32 AM David Hildenbrand wrote: >> >> On 24.09.19 16:23, Michal Hocko wrote: >>> On Wed 18-09-19 10:52:25, Alexander Duyck wrote: >>> [...] >>>> In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to >>>> a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used >>>> by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should >>>> resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do >>>> not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it >>>> will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. >>>> >>>> If another process needs to perform a massive manipulation of the free >>>> list, such as compaction, it can either reset a given individual boundary >>>> which will push the boundary back to the list_head, or it can clear the >>>> bit indicating the zone is actively processing which will result in the >>>> reporting process resetting all of the boundaries for a given zone. >>> >>> Is this any different from the previous version? The last review >>> feedback (both from me and Mel) was that we are not happy to have an >>> externally imposed constrains on how the page allocator is supposed to >>> maintain its free lists. >>> >>> If this is really the only way to go forward then I would like to hear >>> very convincing arguments about other approaches not being feasible. >> >> Adding to what Alexander said, I don't consider the other approaches >> (especially the bitmap-based approach Nitesh is currently working on) >> infeasible. There might be more rough edges (e.g., sparse zones) and >> eventually sometimes a little more work to be done, but definitely >> feasible. Incorporating stuff into the buddy might make some tasks >> (e.g., identify free pages) more efficient. >> >> I still somewhat like the idea of capturing hints of free pages (in >> whatever data structure) and then going over the hints, seeing if the >> pages are still free. Then only temporarily isolating the still-free >> pages, reporting them, and un-isolating them after they were reported. I >> like the idea that the pages are not fake-allocated but only temporarily >> blocked. That works nicely e.g., with the movable zone (contain only >> movable data). > > One other change in this patch set is that I split the headers so that > there is an internal header that resides in the mm tree and an > external one that provides the page reporting device structure and the > register/unregister functions. All that virtio-balloon knows is that > it is registering a notifier and will be called with scatter gather > lists for memory that is not currently in use by the kernel. It has no > visibility into the internal free_areas or the current state of the > buddy allocator. Rather than having two blocks that are both trying to > maintain that state, I have consolidated it all into the buddy > allocator with page reporting. > >> But anyhow, after decades of people working on free page >> hinting/reporting, I am happy with anything that gets accepted upstream :D > > Agreed. After working on this for 9 months I would be happy to get > something upstream that addresses this. IBM upstreamed their proprietary solution - 45e576b1c3d0 ("S390] guest page hinting light") - in 2008. Rik has presented a generic approach in 2011 (!) https://www.linux-kvm.org/images/f/ff/2011-forum-memory-overcommit.pdf I think Nitesh has been working on this (initially as an Intern) since Mid 2017. So yeah, this stuff has quite some history :) > > - Alex > -- Thanks, David / dhildenb