From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
Kieran Bingham <kbingham@kernel.org>,
Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
<x86@kernel.org>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] KVM: x86: guest debug: don't inject interrupts while single stepping
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 18:01:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <31c0bba9-0399-1f15-a59b-a8f035e366e8@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMS+r+XFLsFRFLGLaAH3_EnBcxOmyN-XiZqcmKEx2utjNErYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 16.03.21 17:50, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
>> On Tue, 2021-03-16 at 16:31 +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>> Back then, when I was hacking on the gdb-stub and KVM support, the
>>> monitor trap flag was not yet broadly available, but the idea to once
>>> use it was already there. Now it can be considered broadly available,
>>> but it would still require some changes to get it in.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, we don't have such thing with SVM, even recent versions,
>>> right? So, a proper way of avoiding diverting event injections while we
>>> are having the guest in an "incorrect" state should definitely be the goal.
>> Yes, I am not aware of anything like monitor trap on SVM.
>>
>>>
>>> Given that KVM knows whether TF originates solely from guest debugging
>>> or was (also) injected by the guest, we should be able to identify the
>>> cases where your approach is best to apply. And that without any extra
>>> control knob that everyone will only forget to set.
>> Well I think that the downside of this patch is that the user might actually
>> want to single step into an interrupt handler, and this patch makes it a bit
>> more complicated, and changes the default behavior.
>
> Yes. And, as is, this also blocks NMIs and SMIs. I suspect it also doesn't
> prevent weirdness if the guest is running in L2, since IRQs for L1 will cause
> exits from L2 during nested_ops->check_events().
>
>> I have no objections though to use this patch as is, or at least make this
>> the new default with a new flag to override this.
>
> That's less bad, but IMO still violates the principle of least surprise, e.g.
> someone that is single-stepping a guest and is expecting an IRQ to fire will be
> all kinds of confused if they see all the proper IRR, ISR, EFLAGS.IF, etc...
> settings, but no interrupt.
From my practical experience with debugging guests via single step,
seeing an interrupt in that case is everything but handy and generally
also not expected (though logical, I agree). IOW: When there is a knob
for it, it will remain off in 99% of the time.
But I see the point of having some control, in an ideal world also an
indication that there are pending events, permitting the user to decide
what to do. But I suspect the gdb frontend and protocol does not easily
permit that.
>
>> Sean Christopherson, what do you think?
>
> Rather than block all events in KVM, what about having QEMU "pause" the timer?
> E.g. save MSR_TSC_DEADLINE and APIC_TMICT (or inspect the guest to find out
> which flavor it's using), clear them to zero, then restore both when
> single-stepping is disabled. I think that will work?
>
No one can stop the clock, and timers are only one source of interrupts.
Plus they do not all come from QEMU, some also from KVM or in-kernel
sources directly. Would quickly become a mess.
Jan
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-16 17:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-15 22:10 [PATCH 0/3] KVM: my debug patch queue Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-15 22:10 ` [PATCH 1/3] scripts/gdb: rework lx-symbols gdb script Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-16 13:38 ` Jan Kiszka
2021-03-16 14:12 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-15 22:10 ` [PATCH 2/3] KVM: x86: guest debug: don't inject interrupts while single stepping Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-15 23:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-16 9:16 ` Jan Kiszka
2021-03-16 10:59 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-16 11:27 ` Jan Kiszka
2021-03-16 12:34 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-16 13:46 ` Jan Kiszka
2021-03-16 14:34 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-16 15:31 ` Jan Kiszka
[not found] ` <e2cd978e357155dbab21a523bb8981973bd10da7.camel@redhat.com>
2021-03-16 15:56 ` Jan Kiszka
2021-03-16 16:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-16 17:01 ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2021-03-16 17:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-17 9:20 ` Jan Kiszka
2021-03-16 18:02 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-18 16:02 ` Jan Kiszka
2021-03-18 12:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2021-03-16 10:55 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-15 22:10 ` [PATCH 3/3] KVM: SVM: allow to intercept all exceptions for debug Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-16 8:32 ` Joerg Roedel
2021-03-16 10:51 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-18 9:19 ` Joerg Roedel
2021-03-18 9:24 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-18 15:47 ` Joerg Roedel
2021-03-18 16:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-18 16:41 ` Maxim Levitsky
2021-03-18 17:22 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-16 8:34 ` Borislav Petkov
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