From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752244AbcFRQbb (ORCPT ); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:31:31 -0400 Received: from mail.eperm.de ([89.247.134.16]:36914 "EHLO mail.eperm.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751917AbcFRQb3 (ORCPT ); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:31:29 -0400 From: Stephan Mueller To: "Theodore Ts'o" Cc: David =?utf-8?B?SmHFoWE=?= , Andi Kleen , sandyinchina@gmail.com, Jason Cooper , John Denker , "H. Peter Anvin" , Joe Perches , Pavel Machek , George Spelvin , linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/5] /dev/random - a new approach Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:31:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3381856.qSaz1KcX2Z@positron.chronox.de> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.10 (Linux/4.5.5-201.fc23.x86_64; KDE/4.14.20; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20160618144408.GA5344@thunk.org> References: <1466007463.20087.11.camel@redhat.com> <1466171773.20087.66.camel@redhat.com> <20160618144408.GA5344@thunk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am Samstag, 18. Juni 2016, 10:44:08 schrieb Theodore Ts'o: Hi Theodore, > > At the end of the day, with these devices you really badly need a > hardware RNG. We can't generate randomness out of thin air. The only > thing you really can do requires user space help, which is to generate > keys lazily, or as late as possible, so you can gather as much entropy > as you can --- and to feed in measurements from the WiFi (RSSI > measurements, MAC addresses seen, etc.) This won't help much if you > have an FBI van parked outside your house trying to carry out a > TEMPEST attack, but hopefully it provides some protection against a > remote attacker who isn't try to carry out an on-premises attack. All my measurements on such small systems like MIPS or smaller/older ARMs do not seem to support that statement :-) Ciao Stephan