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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Cc: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Andrew Morgan <agm@google.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@google.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] security: Convert LSM into a static interface
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:50:52 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <350610.33706.qm@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070625035743.GA8786@vino.hallyn.com>


--- "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> wrote:

> Quoting James Morris (jmorris@namei.org):
> > Convert LSM into a static interface, as the ability to unload a security 
> > module is not required by in-tree users and potentially complicates the 
> > overall security architecture.
> > 
> > Needlessly exported LSM symbols have been unexported, to help reduce API 
> > abuse.
> > 
> > Module parameters for the capability and root_plug modules have been
> > converted to kernel parameters.
> > 
> > The SECURITY_FRAMEWORK_VERSION macro has also been removed.
> 
> Sigh, as much as I would *like* to stay out of this (I don't
> use modules at all on any system where I can avoid it), won't
> it make development - and especially testing - of new lsms
> much more painful and therefore less likely?

While there's lots of pain involved in developing an LSM
modern development environments (e.g. virtual machines)
have reduced the value of loadable modules for debug purposes.

> I realize there has been a dearth of new LSMs to date,

but so much excitment over those proposed!

> but if
> for instance a new solaris 10 based capability module were written,
> well, people would want to be able to
> 
> 	rmmod capability
> 	modprobe cap_prm

I think the value is overrated. You would never want to do that
in a production environment, and in a debug environment you could
just as easily reboot and get some start-up testing out of the way.


Casey Schaufler
casey@schaufler-ca.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-25 13:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <afff21250706110926l244ddc28i44289cb08a6721e2@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <20070617135239.GA17689@sergelap>
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     [not found]         ` <20070618044017.GW3723@sequoia.sous-sol.org>
     [not found]           ` <20070620171037.GA28670@sergelap.ibm.com>
     [not found]             ` <20070620174613.GF3723@sequoia.sous-sol.org>
2007-06-21 16:00               ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-23  8:13                 ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-06-24 15:51                   ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-24 16:18                     ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch James Morris
2007-06-24 20:58                       ` [PATCH][RFC] security: Convert LSM into a static interface James Morris
2007-06-24 22:09                         ` Chris Wright
2007-06-24 22:37                           ` James Morris
2007-06-25  1:38                             ` Chris Wright
2007-06-24 23:40                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-25  1:39                             ` Chris Wright
2007-06-25  3:37                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-25  3:57                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-06-25 13:02                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-25 14:24                                 ` Roberto De Ioris
2007-06-25  4:33                           ` [PATCH try #2] " James Morris
2007-06-25  4:48                             ` Petr Vandrovec
2007-06-25  4:58                               ` James Morris
2007-06-25 16:59                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-25 23:56                               ` [PATCH try #3] " James Morris
2007-06-25 20:37                             ` [PATCH try #2] " Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-25 21:14                               ` James Morris
2007-06-26  3:57                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-26 13:15                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-26 14:06                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-26 14:59                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-26 15:53                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-26 18:52                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-26 18:18                                       ` Greg KH
2007-06-26 18:40                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-26  4:09                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-26  4:25                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-26 13:47                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27  0:07                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-27  0:57                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-27  1:22                                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-27  4:24                                       ` Chris Wright
2007-06-27 13:41                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27 14:36                                       ` James Morris
2007-06-27 17:21                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27 18:51                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27 19:28                                             ` James Morris
2007-06-28  2:48                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-25  3:57                         ` [PATCH][RFC] " Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-25  4:10                           ` Chris Wright
2007-06-25  4:54                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-25 13:50                           ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2007-06-25 13:54                             ` James Morris
2007-06-25 14:32                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-25 15:08                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-27  5:00                     ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-06-27 13:16                       ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-28  6:19                         ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-06-28 13:36                           ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-28 15:14                           ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Casey Schaufler
2007-06-28 15:38                             ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-28 15:56                               ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Casey Schaufler
2007-06-29  5:30                                 ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-06-29 13:24                                   ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-29 14:46                                   ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Casey Schaufler
2007-06-28 15:50                             ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-07-02 14:38                   ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-07-04 21:29                     ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-07-04 23:00                       ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Casey Schaufler

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