From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:37:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:37:49 -0400 Received: from neon-gw.transmeta.com ([209.10.217.66]:55823 "EHLO neon-gw.transmeta.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:37:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3B02F2EC.F189923@transmeta.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:36:44 -0700 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Organization: Transmeta Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.5-pre1-zisofs i686) X-Accept-Language: en, sv, no, da, es, fr, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Gooch CC: Geert Uytterhoeven , Alan Cox , Ingo Oeser , Linus Torvalds , Neil Brown , Jeff Garzik , Linux Kernel Mailing List , viro@math.psu.edu Subject: Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants In-Reply-To: <200105152141.f4FLff300686@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <200105161822.f4GIMo509185@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <3B02D6AB.E381D317@transmeta.com> <200105162001.f4GK18X10128@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <3B02DD79.7B840A5B@transmeta.com> <200105162054.f4GKsaF10834@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Richard Gooch wrote: > > > > Because you are now, once again, tying two things that are > > completely and utterly unrelated: device classification and device > > name. It breaks every time someone comes out with a new device > > which is "kind of like an old device, but not really," like > > CD-writers (which was kind-of-like WORM, kind-of-like CD-ROM) and > > DVD (kind-of-like CD)... > > But all devices which export a CD-ROM interface will do so. So the > device node that is associated with the CD-ROM driver will export > CD-ROM semantics, and the trailing name will be "/cd". > > Other interfaces a device exports, such as a CD-RW, appear as a > different device node ("generic" for SCSI, because we have no CD-RW > classification at this point). > > My scheme works already, and works reliably. Nothing had to be done to > support the CD-ROM interface to CD-RW and DVD devices. > It's still completely braindamaged: (a) these interfaces aren't disjoint. They refer to the same device, and will interfere with each other; (b) it is highly undesirable to tie the naming to the interfaces in this way. It further restricts the namespaces you can export, for one thing. -hpa -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt