From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:39:35 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:39:35 -0400 Received: from parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk ([195.92.249.252]:20747 "EHLO www.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:39:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3DB2EBCD.8090405@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:45:49 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Collins CC: Richard Stallman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new References: <20021014170248.A19897@infradead.org> <20021015193138.A4010@infradead.org> <200210161856.g9GIu57t013710@santafe.santafe.edu> <20021016201328.A24882@infradead.org> <20021019161201.A26017@work.bitmover.com> <3DB1EAAB.30401@pobox.com> <20021020154609.GD696@phunnypharm.org> <3DB2E661.8070802@pobox.com> <20021020173438.GK696@phunnypharm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Ben Collins wrote: >>The whole point of the copyright assignment is that FSF becomes >>copyright owner. >> >>This is so that Jeff Garzik cannot be strongarmed into changing the >>license on his code, or some other anti-software-freedom tactic levied >>against me in the future. In theory, the FSF as an organization will >>protect the rights of the software when I might weaken and give in. >> >>But in exchange for that protection, you are willingly giving up your >>rights as copyright owner... Less freedom for [hopefully] better >>protection. Just like everything in life, it's a tradeoff... :) >> > > > I disagree. I don't see anything in the copyright assignment (and I have > signed a few for the FSF) that says I don't retain original copyright > for my work. If you keep a copy locally, sure. But the upstream sources, i.e. what's important, you lose rights to even though you may have contributed substantial amounts of code. IOW if binutils goes off in a direction you don't like, for example the FSF changes the license from GPL to Microsoft EULA, you don't have any say in the matter whatsoever. You're left with a code fork based on the last GPL sources and/or the patches you've kept locally. With Linux, I have a say in what happens to the upstream sources -- the thing most people care about :) Jeff