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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: James Bourne <jbourne@mtroyal.ab.ca>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>,
	Martin Mares <mj@ucw.cz>, Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>,
	Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
	szepe@pinerecords.com, arjanv@redhat.com,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: Ptrace hole / Linux 2.2.25
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:21:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E7E335C.2050509@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <920000.1048456387@[10.10.2.4]>

Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> I think this would be valuable .. the other thing that really needs to
> be present is a "common vendor" kernel where changes that are common
> to most distros are merged (eg O(1) scheduler, etc). Personally, I think 
> that's what mainline should be doing ... but if other people disagree,
> then I, at least, would see value in a separate tree to do this.



akpm has suggested something like this in the past.  I respectfully 
disagree.

The 2.4 kernel will not benefit from constant churn of backporting core 
kernel changes like a new scheduler.  We need to let it settle, simply 
get it stable, and concentrate on fixing key problems in 2.6.  Otherwise 
you will never have a stable 2.4 tree, and it will look suspiciously 
more and more like 2.6 as time goes by.  Constantly breaking working 
configurations and changing core behaviors is _not_ the way to go for 2.4.

I see 2.4 O(1) scheduler and similar features as _pain_ brought on the 
vendors by themselves (and their customers).

Surely it is better to concentrate developer time and mindshare on 
making 2.6 sane?

	Jeff





  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-23 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-17 16:04 Ptrace hole / Linux 2.2.25 Alan Cox
2003-03-17 17:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-03-17 18:20   ` Tomas Szepe
2003-03-17 18:23     ` James Bourne
2003-03-17 18:27     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-21 21:17       ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-23 10:00         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-03-23 13:41           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-23 15:58             ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-23 19:25             ` Martin Mares
2003-03-23 19:30               ` Alan Cox
2003-03-23 19:34                 ` Martin Mares
2003-03-23 19:38                   ` Alan Cox
2003-03-23 19:44                     ` Martin Mares
2003-03-23 19:47                       ` Robert Love
2003-03-23 19:55                         ` Henrik Persson
2003-03-23 20:13                           ` Robert Love
2003-03-23 20:46                           ` Henrik Persson
2003-03-23 19:56                         ` Martin Mares
2003-03-23 20:08                           ` Russell King
2003-03-23 22:26                             ` Alan Cox
2003-03-23 20:10                           ` Robert Love
2003-03-23 20:30                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-23 20:36                               ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-23 21:20                                 ` Martin Hermanowski
2003-03-23 21:35                                 ` James Bourne
2003-03-23 21:53                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-23 22:21                                     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-03-23 22:29                                       ` James Bourne
2003-03-23 22:57                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-24  0:15                                           ` James Bourne
2003-03-23 22:43                                       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-03-23 22:54                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-23 23:19                                         ` Alan Cox
2003-03-23 23:34                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-24  3:35                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-24  3:54                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-24  6:56                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-24 12:17                                             ` Alan Cox
2003-03-23 23:34                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-23 23:45                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-24  0:07                                             ` J.A. Magallon
2003-03-24  6:52                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-24  0:09                                             ` Christian Axelsson
2003-03-24 20:05                                         ` aradorlinux
2003-03-23 20:38                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-03-23 20:51                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-24  0:51                                   ` Juan Quintela
2003-03-24  1:29                                     ` Brian Tinsley
2003-03-23 20:54                               ` Robert Love
2003-03-23 22:13                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-23 21:51                               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-23 21:59                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-23 22:14                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-23 22:46                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-25 11:35                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-03-25 11:36                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-03-23 20:09                         ` Tomas Szepe
2003-03-23 20:21                           ` Robert Love
2003-03-23 20:49                           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-23 22:22                             ` Alan Cox
2003-03-23 21:56                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-23 21:59                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-03-24 15:33                       ` jlnance
2003-03-23 19:53                     ` Jörn Engel
2003-03-24  0:08                       ` Sven Schuster
2003-03-24  0:20                         ` James Bourne
2003-03-24  0:37                           ` Sven Schuster
2003-03-24  0:50                             ` James Bourne
2003-03-24  0:39                           ` Jörn Engel
2003-03-24  2:54                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-24  2:57                               ` James Bourne
2003-03-24  2:59                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-24 14:42                               ` Dave Jones
2003-03-27  7:47                                 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-26 20:30                                   ` Dave Jones
2003-03-26 20:41                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-26 21:02                                       ` Jörn Engel
2003-03-27  5:20                                       ` James Bourne
2003-03-23 19:41                   ` Tomas Szepe
2003-03-17 19:34     ` Alan Cox
2003-03-17 18:27       ` Tomas Szepe
2003-03-17 19:23         ` Neale Banks
2003-03-18 18:44           ` James Bourne
     [not found] <20030317161020$42ed@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-03-17 18:39 ` Ben Pfaff
2003-03-18  1:46   ` Alan Cox
2003-03-19 11:28 mlafon
2003-03-19 20:09 Matthew Grant
2003-03-19 21:34 ` Matthew Grant
     [not found] <20030323194012$6886@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <20030323194014$66c3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <20030323195010$5026@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <20030323195012$6f30@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <20030323200029$737b@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <20030323202005$2a74@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-03-23 20:33           ` Florian Weimer
2003-03-23 22:24             ` Alan Cox
2003-03-23 21:46               ` Florian Weimer
2003-03-23 23:05                 ` Alan Cox
     [not found]       ` <20030323200023$1a65@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <20030323202014$096a@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-03-23 20:35           ` Florian Weimer
2003-03-23 20:59             ` Robert Love
2003-03-23 22:38 Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-23 22:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-23 23:06   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-24 10:30     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-03-24 10:43       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-03-24 15:40       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-24 16:55         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-03-27 14:47 Dr. Greg Wettstein

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