From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261408AbTD1WgZ (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:36:25 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261409AbTD1WgZ (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:36:25 -0400 Received: from watch.techsource.com ([209.208.48.130]:42928 "EHLO techsource.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261408AbTD1WgY (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:36:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3EADB025.3010907@techsource.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:50:13 -0400 From: Timothy Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry McVoy CC: Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] References: <20030424083730.5F79A2127F@dungeon.inka.de> <20030424085913.GH28253@mail.jlokier.co.uk> <3EA804A8.8070608@techsource.com> <1051209350.4004.6.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20030424192941.E1425@almesberger.net> <20030427142106.GA24244@merlin.emma.line.org> <20030427165959.GC6820@work.bitmover.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Larry McVoy wrote: > > > >The open source community, in my opinion, is certainly a contributing >factor in the emergence of the DMCA and DRM efforts. This community >thinks it is perfectly acceptable to copy anything that they find useful. >Take a look at some of the recent BK flamewars and over and over you >will see people saying "we'll clone it". That's not unique to BK, >it's the same with anything else which is viewed as useful. And nobody >sees anything wrong with that, or copying music, whatever. "If it's >useful, take it" is the attitude. > Reminds me of Microsoft. > >Corporations are certainly watching things like our efforts with >BitKeeper, as well as the other companies who are trying to play nice >with the open source world. What are they learning? That if you don't >lock it up, the open source world has no conscience, no respect, and will >steal anything that isn't locked down. Show me a single example of the >community going "no, we can't take that, someone else did all the work >to produce it, we didn't". Good luck finding it. Instead you get "hey, >that's cool, let's copy it". With no acknowledgement that the creation >of the product took 100x the effort it takes to copy the product. > Reminds me of Stallman. > > >