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From: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
To: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>
Cc: MarKol <markol4@wp.pl>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: select for UNIX sockets?
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:15:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EE2B878.6050809@nortelnetworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKMEOBDHAA.davids@webmaster.com

David Schwartz wrote:

> 	You are doing something wrong. You are using 'select' along with blocking
> I/O operations. You can't make bricks without clay. If you don't want to
> block, you must use non-blocking socket operations. End of story.

That's funny, I was under the impression that the whole point of using select() 
was to enable the use of blocking I/O.  If you are on a uniprocessor system, in 
a single thread, and select() says that a socket is writeable, then I had darn 
well better be able to write to that socket!

Sure, this gets more complicated when multiprocessing or multithreading, but the 
test program does neither of these.

> 	Just because 'select' indicates a write hit, you are not assured that some
> particular write at a later time will not block. Past performance does not
> guarantee future results.


Think about the whole reason for select()'s existance. If a single-threaded app 
calls select() and is told a socket is writeable, then a write to that socket 
should either immediately succeed or immediately fail (if the other socket 
disappeared in between the calls, for instance).

Now granted I use non-blocking I/O out of paranoia, but even there if select() 
says it is writeable and the send call returns EAGAIN then we get into a nice 
little infinite loop.

select() should be reliable.


Chris


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-08  4:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-06 12:20 select for UNIX sockets? MarKol
2003-06-07  0:14 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-08  0:04   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-09  3:11     ` David Schwartz
2003-06-09 17:18       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-09 17:55         ` David Schwartz
2003-06-09 22:24           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-10 13:34             ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-10 13:52               ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-10 14:21               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-10 19:04                 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-11 21:55                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-11 22:50                     ` David Schwartz
2003-06-11 12:51                 ` Edgar Toernig
2003-06-10 21:40             ` David Schwartz
2003-06-11 22:04               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-09 23:45         ` James Stevenson
2003-06-08  4:15   ` Chris Friesen [this message]
2003-06-09  3:05     ` David Schwartz
2003-06-09 16:46   ` MarKol
2003-06-09 17:05     ` David Schwartz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-06-04 12:19 Petr Vandrovec
2003-06-06  0:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-06-06  0:38   ` Petr Vandrovec
2003-06-03  0:08 Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-03 14:51 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-04 23:27   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-05 13:17     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-04 11:55 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-04 12:42   ` Krzysztof Halasa

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