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From: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	felipe_alfaro@linuxmail.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] O13int for interactivity
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 20:04:54 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F2F8146.6030301@cyberone.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200308051012.12951.oliver@neukum.org>



Oliver Neukum wrote:

>Am Dienstag, 5. August 2003 09:26 schrieb Con Kolivas:
>
>>On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:03, Andrew Morton wrote:
>>
>>>We do prefer that TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE processes are woken promptly so they
>>>can submit more IO and go back to sleep.  Remember that we are artificially
>>>leaving the disk head idle in the expectation that the task will submit
>>>more I/O.  It's pretty sad if the CPU scheduler leaves the anticipated task
>>>in the doldrums for five milliseconds.
>>>
>>Indeed that has been on my mind. This change doesn't affect how long it takes 
>>to wake up. It simply prevents tasks from getting full interactive status 
>>during the period they are doing unint. sleep.
>>
>
>If you take that to its logical conclusion, such tasks should be woken
>immediately. Likewise, the io scheduler should be notified when you know
>that the task won't do io or will do other io, like waiting on character
>devices, go paging out or terminate.
>

I don't think that is the logical conclusion because you are balancing
against other things.

As for the io scheduler, no, there is a lot that can be done (including
waiting on character devs) before it is no longer worth keeping the disk
waiting. AS really doesn't care in the slightest what a process does
between submitting IOs*, what is important is simply its IO pattern.

* except exit which is an easy case of course.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-08-05 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-04 16:07 [PATCH] O13int for interactivity Con Kolivas
2003-08-04 18:24 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-08-04 19:15 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-08-04 21:32   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-04 20:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-04 22:11   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  7:10     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  2:11 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  2:20   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  2:21     ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  3:06       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  3:17         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-06 18:48           ` Interactivity improvements Timothy Miller
2003-08-06 19:01             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-08-06 20:09             ` Helge Hafting
2003-08-06 21:15             ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  3:18       ` [PATCH] O13int for interactivity Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  3:31         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  5:04           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  5:12             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  5:16               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  5:28                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:22                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:32                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:45                       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:48                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:56                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 11:03                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 11:12                               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 11:23                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 11:34                                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:54                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-08-05 11:10                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-06 21:33                       ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-06 21:33                         ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-07  0:27                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-07  0:27                             ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-07  0:44                               ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-11  6:48                       ` Rob Landley
2003-08-11 15:47                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-12  2:51                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  6:16                           ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  7:07                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  7:18                               ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  9:42                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12 21:11                                   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-08-13  6:55                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  9:22                               ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  9:37                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  9:48                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12 10:29                           ` Rob Landley
2003-08-12 11:08                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12 11:35                               ` Rob Landley
2003-08-12 11:58                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-13  2:08                                   ` jw schultz
2003-08-13  3:07                                     ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-13  3:24                                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-13  5:24                                         ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-13  5:43                                           ` Andrew McGregor
2003-08-13 12:33                                             ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-14  5:03                                               ` Andrew McGregor
2003-08-14 10:48                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-12 15:36                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-05  6:03             ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-05  7:26               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  8:12                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-08-05  8:20                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  8:27                     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  8:43                       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  9:09                         ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  9:19                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:04                   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2003-08-11  6:57                 ` Rob Landley
2003-08-11 15:58                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-05  7:53               ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found] <gQ4n.5oS.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <jUl6.5eh.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <jUuT.5kZ.15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <jWn1.6K1.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-13 13:48       ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-08-13 14:50         ` Gene Heskett
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-06 10:35 Voluspa
2003-08-04 19:12 Voluspa
2003-07-27 15:12 [PATCH] O10int " Con Kolivas
2003-07-28 18:08 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-07-28 18:40   ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-04 18:51     ` [PATCH] O13int " Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-08-04 18:58       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-08-04 21:46         ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-04 22:16           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana

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