From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Alex Tomas <bzzz@tmi.comex.ru>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ext2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [RFC] file extents for EXT3
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:23:07 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F37C2EB.5050503@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030811095518.T7752@schatzie.adilger.int>
Andreas Dilger wrote:
> Ext2/3 uses feature flags instead of version numbers to indicate such
> changes. Version numbers are a poor way of indicating whether a change
> is compatible or not compared to feature flags. For example, if you bump
> the minor number to indicate a "compatible" change it means that any
> code that pretends to support version x.y features also needs to support
> all features <= y and all features <= x.
What I'm talking about is more high level than that, and probably
touches on "marketing" aspects a bit:
The net effect of slowly sliding features into ext2/3 via feature flags
creates the poor situation we have today: your filesystem, and your
kernel, may or may not support the featureset you're looking for. Sure,
slowly sliding features into existing filesystems can be made to work
with compatibility flags and careful thought.
However, I argue that there should be an ext2/3 filesystem feature
freeze. And in this regard I am talking about _software_ versions, not
filesystem formats. ext4 should be where the bulk of the new work goes.
Please -- leave ext3 alone! It's still being stabilized.
Of course, the other alternative is to rename ext3 to "linuxfs", add a
"no journal at all" mode, and remove ext2. But I prefer my "ext4"
solution :)
Anyway, I am hoping that situation will be fixed, not propagated via
feature flags until the end of time as a Good Thing(tm). It is _not_
smart to create features like ACLs or htrees, and then use those
features under different versions of kernels. That strategy guarantees
your metadata will get out of sync with other metadata, in the name of
backward compatibility.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-08-11 16:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-08-11 7:41 [RFC] file extents for EXT3 Alex Tomas
2003-08-11 12:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-11 15:55 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-08-11 16:23 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-08-12 9:33 ` Rob Landley
2003-08-12 15:14 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-08-12 21:09 ` Rob Landley
2003-08-13 4:32 ` [Ext2-devel] " Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-14 16:41 ` James Antill
2003-08-11 16:43 ` Randy.Dunlap
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