From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,INCLUDES_CR_TRAILER,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D25C433E1 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1959361970 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230386AbhCSTjg (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:39:36 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:37802 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230092AbhCSTjX (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:39:23 -0400 Received: from wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8234::]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8B18C06174A; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip4d142c50.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([77.20.44.80] helo=[192.168.66.200]); authenticated by wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1lNKxt-00038L-11; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:39:21 +0100 To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: Randy Dunlap , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <148a84de8d109ebbc01a337fb93cb246410c4351.1615116592.git.linux@leemhuis.info> <878s6o18kq.fsf@meer.lwn.net> From: Thorsten Leemhuis Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] docs: reporting-issues.rst: shortcut for reporting stable regressions Message-ID: <3d8b94a7-42e0-d47d-55a6-155324e10243@leemhuis.info> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:39:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <878s6o18kq.fsf@meer.lwn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-BS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1616182762;da2fb3e8; X-HE-SMSGID: 1lNKxt-00038L-11 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 15.03.21 21:11, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > Thorsten Leemhuis writes: > >> Provide a much shorter and easier process for users that deal with >> regressions in stable and longterm kernels, as those should be reported >> quickly. >> >> Signed-off-by: Thorsten Leemhuis >> CC: Randy Dunlap > > Seems generally good, but I had a couple of comments... Thx for your feedback. > […] >> + * If you are facing a regression within a stable or longterm version line >> + (say something broke when updating from 5.10.4 to 5.10.5), head over to >> + 'Dealing with regressions within a stable and longterm kernel line'. > I would s/head over/scroll down/. Otherwise readers may well wondering > where to go to find this section. Good idea. Used this phrase somewhere else also, addressed it there in a septate patch in the series I just sent: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-doc/cover.1616181657.git.linux@leemhuis.info/ > [...] >> + * Make sure it's not the kernel's surroundings that are causing the issue >> + you face. > I can imagine that a lot of readers would have no idea what that means. > In fact, I'm not entirely sure what that means... That's why it explained in the reference section. That is a bit hard to spot just from the patch. > [...] >> +Regression in stable or longterm kernel? >> +---------------------------------------- >> + >> + *If you are facing a regression within a stable or longterm version line >> + (say something broke when updating from 5.10.4 to 5.10.5), head over to >> + 'Dealing with regressions within a stable and longterm kernel line'.* > So you want to send them back upward here? No, this is just repeating the text from the step-by-step guide, as it's done everywhere in the reference section. It's hard to see in the diff and more clear when you look at the document as a whole. >> +Regression within a stable and longterm kernel version line are something the >> +Linux developers want to fix badly, as such issues are even more unwanted than >> +regression in the main development branch, as they can quickly affect a lot of >> +people. The developers thus want to learn about such issues as quickly as >> +possible, hence there is a streamlined process to report them. Note, >> +regressions with newer kernel version line (say something broke when switching >> +from 5.9.15 to 5.10.5) do not qualify. > Given the length of this file, I really wonder if there isn't some way > to cut back on the amount of repeated text? The latest series addresses this: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-doc/cover.1616181657.git.linux@leemhuis.info/ To avoid repeated text I had to use this in the end: ``` Perform the first three steps in the section "Reporting issues only occurring in older kernel version lines" above. ``` Not ideal, but not too bad and works. Thx again for your suggestions! Ciao, Thorsten