From: "Sean" <seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: "Horst von Brand" <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>,
"Chris Friesen" <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
"d.c" <aradorlinux@yahoo.es>,
cs@tequila.co.jp, galibert@pobox.com, kernel@crazytrain.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4075.10.10.10.24.1108751663.squirrel@linux1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050218162729.GA5839@thunk.org>
On Fri, February 18, 2005 11:27 am, Theodore Ts'o said:
> If you truly believe that BK would be able to add the value that it
> does to the kernel development process by using some other SCM as the
> master SCM, with BK being "underneath", as you proposed earlier, then
> you do not understand why BK is fundamentally better than the current
> open source SCM systems that are out there.
BK already feeds patches out at the head, surely if it's as powerful as
you think, it could feed a free SCM too for your non-bk friends in the
community.
> And people *can* use the tools of their choice today. They can use
> CVS, and diff+patch, and suffer with all of the limitations that those
> tools have today. And for people who are doing stuff around the
> periphery, quilt is often really the best tool for them.
The situation could be improved for these other tools if there wasn't so
much BK zealotry from those that use it.
> If it's about the whole ***kernel*** development community, then it's
> pretty clear that the current system works quite well. All of the
> complaints have been coming primarily from SCM hackers, it seems, and
> not people who truly need the power of more powerful than downloading
> the bk snapshots, using the CVS export tree, and in the case where
> they need to look at the changes in a single changeset bkbits.net.
There's no technical reason for this limitation.
> The "cost" of using BK seems to be primarily more theoretical, and
> ideological, than real. It's always seems to be about someone
> kvetching that they want to use SVN and get finely grained changsets
> through SVN, and they can't. But how often does that happen, and
> what's so painful of getting the finely grained changeset through
> bkbits.net? Not very. So at the end of the day, it finally boils
> down to being all about ideology, doesn't it?
No. It's just that the cost isn't being paid by you, so you don't care.
Cheers,
Sean.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-02-18 18:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-02-14 2:08 [BK] upgrade will be needed Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 6:02 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 6:17 ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-14 9:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-14 12:08 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-02-14 15:08 ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 15:40 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 16:21 ` linux-os
2005-02-14 17:12 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-16 23:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 20:33 ` David Weinehall
2005-02-17 21:31 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-14 17:14 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 17:23 ` Russell Miller
2005-02-14 17:49 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 18:33 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:47 ` Steven Rostedt
[not found] ` <20050214190137.GB16029@bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <1108415541.8413.48.camel@localhost.localdomain>
[not found] ` <20050214231148.GP13174@bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <1108425420.8413.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
[not found] ` <20050215000028.GS13174@bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <1108426451.8413.84.camel@localhost.localdomain>
[not found] ` <20050215003535.GB32158@bitmover.com>
2005-02-15 1:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 3:01 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 3:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 14:05 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-14 19:29 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 21:13 ` Erik Andersen
2005-02-14 18:17 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 18:36 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:45 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 20:02 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 5:13 ` Scott Lockwood
2005-02-14 18:56 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 20:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-02-14 21:25 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14 23:02 ` Henrik Persson
2005-02-14 21:30 ` Tom Felker
2005-02-15 9:04 ` James Bruce
2005-02-16 17:31 ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 23:24 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 3:35 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-15 5:23 ` Hua Zhong
2005-02-15 12:19 ` kernel
2005-02-15 12:45 ` linux-os
2005-02-15 13:39 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-16 9:45 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 10:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-16 13:40 ` Schwaighofer Clemens
2005-02-16 15:39 ` d.c
2005-02-17 0:14 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 15:43 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-16 17:01 ` Sean
2005-02-17 0:11 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17 4:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 5:57 ` Sean
2005-02-17 6:22 ` d.c
2005-02-17 6:49 ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:34 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 16:40 ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:55 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-17 16:58 ` Sean
2005-02-17 20:52 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 21:24 ` Sean
2005-02-18 1:42 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 7:52 ` Sean
2005-02-18 16:27 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 18:34 ` Sean [this message]
2005-02-18 19:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:31 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:46 ` John Stoffel
2005-02-18 19:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:57 ` Sean
2005-02-19 0:59 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 20:45 ` d.c
2005-02-18 21:13 ` David S. Miller
2005-02-18 21:34 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-18 22:18 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-18 22:35 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-19 7:53 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-23 19:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-21 5:43 ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 6:56 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-21 7:00 ` N/A Christof Dorner
2005-02-21 15:40 ` [BK] upgrade will be needed Kevin P. Fleming
2005-02-17 23:25 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-17 23:32 ` Sean
2005-02-17 23:54 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 23:56 ` Sean
2005-02-18 4:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 4:03 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18 7:26 ` Sean
2005-02-18 12:31 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-18 0:29 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18 2:31 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 7:55 ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 8:09 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17 9:27 ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 10:27 ` Sean
2005-02-18 0:32 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-14 18:54 ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-14 20:13 ` Matthew Dharm
2005-02-14 20:17 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 17:26 ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-15 2:46 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-15 13:24 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-14 19:44 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-14 20:05 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 22:24 ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-14 22:57 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 23:23 ` David Lang
2005-02-15 0:03 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 1:23 ` David Lang
2005-02-15 16:34 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-14 23:29 ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-15 13:55 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 16:57 ` Alan Cox
2005-02-17 0:00 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 1:41 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-17 9:46 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-17 12:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 14:07 ` Citizen Number 24655
2005-02-17 15:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 16:27 ` Florian Weimer
2005-02-18 8:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-15 2:13 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 2:40 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 3:04 ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-15 12:41 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 13:56 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 14:55 ` Anton Ertl
2005-02-14 13:13 ` Mws
2005-02-14 15:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-14 16:00 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 17:21 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 12:13 ` kernel
2005-02-16 23:46 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-18 8:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 2:05 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-18 2:24 ` [darcs-users] " Tupshin Harper
2005-02-18 2:33 ` Sean
2005-02-18 9:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 10:58 ` Tomasz Zielonka
2005-02-18 11:53 ` Erik Bågfors
2005-02-18 12:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 9:10 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-19 10:17 ` Sean
2005-02-19 16:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 17:15 ` David Roundy
2005-02-19 17:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 12:41 ` David Roundy
2005-02-21 18:33 ` David Brown
2005-02-21 13:48 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-20 10:36 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-18 17:50 ` Dustin Sallings
2005-02-21 5:39 ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 15:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 19:45 ` zander
2005-02-21 20:27 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-23 17:14 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2005-02-14 21:08 Martin Fouts
2005-02-14 21:20 Martin Fouts
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