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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Diego Calleja <diegocg@teleline.es>,
	Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>,
	wli@holomorphy.com, aebr@win.tue.nl, solt2@dns.toxicfilms.tv,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: starting with 2.7
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:00:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41DB2E20.90309@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050104211910.GB7280@thunk.org>

Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:34:09PM -0300, Horst von Brand wrote:
> 
>>Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch> said:
>>
>>>* Theodore Ts'o <20050104002452.GA8045@thunk.org> 2005-01-03 19:24
>>>
>>>>I was thinking more about every week or two (ok, two releases in a day
>>>>like we used to do in the 2.3 days was probably too freequent :-), but
>>>>sure, even going to a once-a-month release cycle would be better than
>>>>the current 3 months between 2.6.x releases.
>>
>>>It definitely satifies many of the impatients but it doesn't solve the
>>>stability problem. Many bugs do not show up on developer machines until
>>>just right after the release (as you pointed out already). rc releases
>>>don't work out as expected due to various reasons, i think one of them
>>>is that rc releases don't get announced on the newstickers, extra work
>>>is required to patch the kernel etc. What about doing a test release
>>>just before releasing the final version. I'm not talking about yet
>>>another 2 weeks period but rather just 2-3 days and at most 2 bk
>>>releases in between.
>>
>>And most users will just wait the extra 2 or 3 days before timidly dipping
>>in. Doesn't work.
> 
> 
> Some will start testing right away, others will wait 2 or 3 days
> first.  And that's fine.  Not all 2.6.x kernels will be good; but if
> we do releases every 1 or 2 weeks, some of them *will* be good.  The
> problem with the -rc releases is that we try to predict in advance
> which releases in advance will be stable, and we don't seem to be able
> to do a good job of that.  If we do a release every week, my guess is
> that at least 1 in 3 releases will turn out to be stable enough for
> most purposes.  But we won't know until after 2 or 3 days which
> releases will be the good ones.

I'm not an optimist; I assumed -rc meant "only fixes" and was worth 
testing to get bugs identified. And that's what I would hope could 
happen again. If you think -fo (fixes only) is a better term I wouldn't 
argue.

-- 
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-05  0:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 222+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-02 20:03 starting with 2.7 Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 20:08 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-01-02 20:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 21:01   ` Re[2]: " Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 21:24   ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 21:42     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 22:15       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-02 22:49         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-02 23:14           ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-03  0:30           ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  0:45             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03  1:19               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  5:33                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 12:33                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 21:38                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 22:09                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:53                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  5:06                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04  5:29                         ` Sean
2005-01-05  8:42                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05  9:13                           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04 13:17                       ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 13:24                   ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-03 13:47                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 17:18                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:04                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 18:41                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:36                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-03 18:59                           ` Russell King
2005-01-03 19:07                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 19:26                             ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-03 21:06                               ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04  0:24                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04  3:12                               ` Thomas Graf
2005-01-04  5:33                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 15:21                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:58                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:38                                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-04 23:51                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05  0:09                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 18:30                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 18:56                                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 19:08                                           ` Chris Friesen
2005-01-04 15:34                                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 21:19                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04 21:43                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 23:50                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  5:37                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05  7:04                                           ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  8:33                                             ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-06 18:08                                       ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-06 21:08                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06 22:50                                           ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-07 14:34                                           ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-05  0:00                                     ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2005-01-05  0:33                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-05 18:40                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:13                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:35                             ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-04  0:02                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  3:32                                 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05  9:27                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 10:57                               ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06  3:15                                 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-01-06 14:03                           ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 16:34                             ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2005-01-06 19:32                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 19:58                               ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-06 22:31                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-07  8:33                                 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 20:48                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 19:28                         ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-03 22:39                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  7:46                             ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-04 18:34                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:03                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 23:42                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 17:31                             ` Rahul Karnik
2005-01-04 18:44                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 21:28                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:51                             ` APM vs. ACPI, janitor wanted? [was Re: starting with 2.7] Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 12:57                       ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 15:08                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:34                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 16:53                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 19:57                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 20:30                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:34                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:55                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 21:23                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 22:01                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-04 21:01                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06  9:45                                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-06 15:50                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06 16:59                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-06 14:38                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-04 20:17                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05  0:02                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05  5:49                             ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04  2:06                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-04  2:36                       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-03 12:52               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:52             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 17:15               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-01-02 23:14         ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-02 23:21         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-01-03  9:57           ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) L. A. Walsh
2005-01-03 12:17             ` Robert W. Fuller
2005-01-03 13:58               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 14:24             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04  4:56               ` David Lang
2005-01-04 14:52                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04  7:00               ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-01-09  0:13               ` Reviving the concept of a stable series L A Walsh
2005-01-10 13:44                 ` Adam Sampson
2005-01-10 16:50                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-10 19:24                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:50                     ` jmerkey
2005-01-03 22:20             ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 13:08               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 18:20                 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 15:31                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 18:23                   ` [PATCH] zap the ACPI shutdown bug (was Re: Reviving the concept of a stable series) Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 19:07                     ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 21:19                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03  0:19         ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03  0:38           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03  0:49             ` Adam Mercer
2005-01-03  1:20               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 12:13               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-01-03  1:21             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 22:26             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:20         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:29           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:37             ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 17:39               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 20:59                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:47                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 21:48                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:03                       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 22:10                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:14                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-03 23:41                           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04  5:46                           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04  6:36                             ` Al Viro
2005-01-04 10:23                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 12:36                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 12:59                                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:09                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:17                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05  6:20                                       ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-05 11:30                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 20:24                                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-05 13:31                                 ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-05 19:16                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 21:19                                   ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04  9:17                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-01-04 13:27                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 14:27                           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 15:31                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 16:51                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:58                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 23:07                               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 23:18                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 22:04                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 22:01                     ` Sean
2005-01-04  5:44                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 13:11                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:21                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:18             ` Wakko Warner
2005-01-03 23:06           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:18     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:34       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:46         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 15:59         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-03 23:34           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04  7:42             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-04 13:14               ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:47           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:18             ` David Lang
2005-01-04 23:03               ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-05  7:39                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-06 19:35               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 23:33                 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2005-01-07  1:51                 ` David Lang
2005-01-07  5:48                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-03 22:53       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06  3:52       ` Ian Kent
2005-01-06 20:02 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-06 21:29   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07  0:06     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-07 16:34     ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-07 17:25       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09  2:31         ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-09  3:01           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-09  3:08           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09 23:02             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10  0:30               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10  1:26                 ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-10  1:28                 ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-10  2:16                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10  4:51                   ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-10 18:27                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:11                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-10 19:55                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 21:08                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-11 16:10                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 22:19                     ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-11  0:54                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 16:10                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04 16:07 Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-07 11:07 Nicolas Mailhot
2005-01-07 11:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 11:17   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 17:34     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-08 15:45       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11  7:17         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 16:10           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11 17:36             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 19:59               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-10 21:32   ` Bill Davidsen

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