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From: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:23:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41E9EC5A.7070502@opersys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501160352130.6118@scrub.home>


Hello Roman,

Roman Zippel wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Karim Yaghmour wrote:
>>In addition, and this is a very important issue, quite a few
>>kernel developers mistook LTT for a kernel debugging tool, which
>>it was never meant to be. When, in fact, if you ask those who have
>>looked at using it for that purpose (try Marcelo or Andrea) you will
>>see that they didn't find it to be appropriate for them. And
>>rightly so, it was never meant for that purpose. Even lately, when
>>I suggested Ingo try using relayfs instead of his custom tracing
>>code for his preemption work, he looked at it and said that it
>>wasn't suited, but would consider reusing parts of it if it were
>>in the kernel.
> 
> Well, that's really a core problem. We don't want to duplicate 
> infrastructure, which practically does the same. So if relayfs isn't 
> usable in this kind of situation, it really raises the question whether 
> relayfs is usable at all. We need to make relayfs generally usable, 
> otherwise it will join the fate of devfs.

Hmm, coming from you I will take this is a pretty strong endorsement
for what I was suggesting earlier: provide a basic buffering mode
in relayfs to be used in kernel debugging. However, it must be
understood that this is separate from the existing modes and ltt,
for example, could not use such a basic infrastructure. If this is
ok with you, and no one wants to complain too loudly about this, I
will go ahead and add this to our to-do list for relayfs.

Karim
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  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-16  4:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-14  8:23 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  8:47 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14  9:27   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 10:27   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Nikita Danilov
2005-01-14 10:38     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 11:06       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 15:31         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-14 21:11           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:58             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15  0:20               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-15  4:25               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  1:06             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-15  4:18               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16  2:38                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16  6:00                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:52                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16 21:18                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17  1:37                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17  2:24                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 12:20                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:32                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:31                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 22:42                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 23:26                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:41                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  0:02                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18  3:05                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 13:54                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-17 21:27                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 23:57                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18  4:03                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  4:30                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Aaron Cohen
2005-01-18  4:46                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  8:07                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 16:40                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 19:37                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 15:31                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-21  6:26                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-21 22:23                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-23  7:43                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23  7:52                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23  8:28                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-24  0:38                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-25  9:12                                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  1:13                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18  2:52                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 17:02                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 19:05                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:14                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-19 16:53                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 16:14             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:47               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:30               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:11                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-14 15:24   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18 11:19   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-18 11:46     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-18 14:52       ` [Lkst-develop] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-14 12:36 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-14 13:04 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Kasper Sandberg
2005-01-14 18:35   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 19:08     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Rogério Brito
2005-01-14 19:41     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Peter Buckingham
2005-01-17 17:04     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Matthias Urlichs
2005-01-14 19:02   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Bill Davidsen
2005-01-14 15:07 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 16:56   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Dave Jones
2005-01-14 17:55     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-19 23:06   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Marcos D. Marado Torres
2005-01-19 23:54     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 15:35 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-14 22:03   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 17:35 ` [patch] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1: ip_tables.c: ipt_find_target must be EXPORT_SYMBOL'ed Adrian Bunk
2005-01-14 17:43   ` Patrick McHardy
2005-01-14 22:41 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-14 22:46 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-14 23:22   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15  0:24     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  1:27       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:18       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-15 13:08     ` [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1) Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16  2:09       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16  3:11         ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-16  4:23           ` Karim Yaghmour [this message]
2005-01-16 23:43             ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17  1:54               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 10:26                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:34                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:18                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:57                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  8:46                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18 16:31                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-19  7:13                 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-19 17:38                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:48 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andre Eisenbach
2005-01-15  8:42   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-15  8:45   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
     [not found] ` <1105740276.8604.83.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de>
2005-01-14 23:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  0:01     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  0:26       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-15  1:00         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  1:25           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15 10:20             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16  4:13               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 15:19                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15  1:14       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  9:57         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16 16:21     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:49       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:11         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 20:32           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-16 21:06             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 21:40               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-17 15:48                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 16:13                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-17 21:38                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:39           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 21:14             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15  2:58 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-17 22:19   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16  0:59 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2005-01-16 19:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-16 19:20     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16 21:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-17 23:31     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 J.A. Magallon
2005-01-18  2:35       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-18  2:54   ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) Daniel Drake
2005-01-18  0:34     ` Al Viro
2005-01-18  0:02       ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-18  8:05         ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-18  8:28         ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-18  8:49           ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-18 13:20             ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-20 20:55             ` [PATCH] Configurable delay before mounting root device Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 20:24               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-21 18:15                 ` Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 22:49               ` William Park
2005-01-18  1:03       ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) William Park
2005-01-19  0:43         ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-18  8:02     ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-19 20:11       ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-20 21:39 [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1) Werner Almesberger
2005-01-20 23:07 ` Karim Yaghmour

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