From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263275AbVGAIL6 (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 04:11:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263282AbVGAIL4 (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 04:11:56 -0400 Received: from 69-18-3-179.lisco.net ([69.18.3.179]:38152 "EHLO ninja.slaphack.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263275AbVGAII5 (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 04:08:57 -0400 Message-ID: <42C4FA1A.1050100@slaphack.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:08:58 -0500 From: David Masover User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Weinehall Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_T=F6rnqvist?= , Douglas McNaught , Horst von Brand , Hubert Chan , Kyle Moffett , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Lincoln Dale , Gregory Maxwell , Hans Reiser , Jeff Garzik , Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ReiserFS List Subject: Re: reiser4 plugins References: <200506290509.j5T595I6010576@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <20050629135820.GJ11013@nysv.org> <20050629205636.GN16867@khan.acc.umu.se> In-Reply-To: <20050629205636.GN16867@khan.acc.umu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org David Weinehall wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 04:58:20PM +0300, Markus Törnqvist wrote: > >>On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 09:50:27AM -0400, Douglas McNaught wrote: >> >>>I'll just note that the "applications bundled as directories" stuff on >>>MacOS/NextStep is done completely in userspace--as far as the kernel >>>is concerned, "Mail.app" is a regular directory. The file manager >>>handles recognition and invocation of application bundles (and there >>>is an 'open' shell command that does the same thing). >> >>Note that MacOS has the monopoly on what they ship, Linux has a >>motherload of file managers and window systems and all. >> >>What pisses me off is the fact that Gnome and friends implement >>their own incompatible-with-others VFS's and automounters and >>stuff. >> >>Surely supporting this in the kernel and extending the LSB >>to require this is the best step to take without infringing >>anyone's freedom as such. >> >>*still pissed off about having to hassle an automatic mount* > > > GNOME and KDE run on operating systems that run other kernels than > Linux, hence they have to implement their own userland VFS anyway. > Adding this to the Linux kernel won't help them one bit, unless > we can magically convince Sun to add it to Solaris, all different > BSD:s to add it to their kernels, etc. Not going to happen. > An effort to get GNOME and KDE to unify their VFS:s would be > far more benificial, Than what? Creating a unified VFS which I can access from Bash, and which obsoletes both GNOME and KDE's VFSes except in their presentation? > FreeDesktop is doing a lot of work to make GNOME, KDE, and other > DE:s interoperate as much as possible. Support their initiative > instead of trying to get a monstrosity (albeit a very cool one, > conceptually) into the kernel. Sure, it could be made to work, > but not without dropping our Unixness. (I'm talking about the metafs (/meta) idea, which isn't nearly as much a monstrocity, and doesn't kill our unixness, it enhances it.)