From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261559AbVGGOE5 (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:04:57 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261561AbVGGOBS (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:01:18 -0400 Received: from 69-18-3-179.lisco.net ([69.18.3.179]:7690 "EHLO ninja.slaphack.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261570AbVGGOAO (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:00:14 -0400 Message-ID: <42CD3580.4020008@slaphack.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:00:32 -0500 From: David Masover User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_T=F6rnqvist?= Cc: Douglas McNaught , Horst von Brand , Hubert Chan , Kyle Moffett , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Lincoln Dale , Gregory Maxwell , Hans Reiser , Jeff Garzik , Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ReiserFS List Subject: Re: reiser4 plugins References: <200506290509.j5T595I6010576@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <20050629135820.GJ11013@nysv.org> <20050629205636.GN16867@khan.acc.umu.se> <42C4FA1A.1050100@slaphack.com> <20050701155446.GZ16867@khan.acc.umu.se> <20050707082749.GZ11013@nysv.org> In-Reply-To: <20050707082749.GZ11013@nysv.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Markus Törnqvist wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 05:54:46PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: > >>Which would neither need VFS changes nor be dependent on Reiser4 in >>any way, so I don't see why this thread lives on. Just get down to >>business and implement this metafs =) > > > I've been gone for a while and suddenly drowning in mail... > > Anyway, I don't really like the metafs thing. > > To access the data, you still need to refactor userspace, > so that's not a real advantage. Doing lookups from /meta > all the time, instead of in the file-as-dir-whatever... I don't really see the disadvantage. Also, metafs means much less of a fight to get people to adopt the whole meta concept, because it can be done in a POSIX-compliant way which doesn't break tar. File-as-dir is nice if you're using meta files, but it causes lots of unexpected weirdness. I don't think metafs costs us much in performance, and with one or two shell scripts, it wouldn't cost us that much efficiency on the commandline. But, I also like file-as-dir. I think it might be time for a vote. I vote metafs. Or, maybe Hans needs to tell us which way we're going... > And the best thing to do would be to bring these "Reiser4-specific" > enhancements to every FS. Which has nothing to do with whether it's done in "metafs" or not.