From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750929AbVL3XnI (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:43:08 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751084AbVL3XnI (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:43:08 -0500 Received: from [202.67.154.148] ([202.67.154.148]:13750 "EHLO ns666.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750929AbVL3XnH (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:43:07 -0500 Message-ID: <43B5C5F6.5070500@ns666.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:42:46 +0100 From: Mark v Wolher User-Agent: Mozilla/4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.1; U) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alistair John Strachan CC: Lee Revell , Folkert van Heusden , Jesper Juhl , Linux Kernel Subject: Re: system keeps freezing once every 24 hours / random apps crashing References: <43B53EAB.3070800@ns666.com> <1135980690.31111.35.camel@mindpipe> <43B5B1C4.7070501@ns666.com> <200512302311.27125.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200512302311.27125.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.91.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Alistair John Strachan wrote: > On Friday 30 December 2005 22:16, Mark v Wolher wrote: > [snip] > >>>Basically you are asking for help with an unsupported configuration. In >>>general people on LKML will be more helpful if you take the time to find >>>out what the bug reporting guidelines are before posting. >>> >>>Lee >> >>Thank you for your input, but sometimes thinking out of the box gives a >>solution instead of hiding behind "guidelines". > > > I'm surprised Lee fed you this long, but the cold hard fact of the matter is > that you are posting to the Linux kernel mailing lists, and you will comply > with these guidelines if you expect help. > > I'm sure the problem might not be with VMWare, but there is absolutely nothing > stopping you from switching nvidia with nv, not loading nvidia/vmware > modules, then running the TV card doing *something else* for a few hours. If > you do not detect lockups, contact VMWare. They will probably do the exact > opposite of what Lee has done and suggest non-VMWare parts of the system are > at fault. > > However, unlike VMWare or NVIDIA, we can actually debug problems if you use > source-available modules. Thinking outside of the box here is irrelevant -- a > problem requires logical procedure to gain a solution. Any engineer will tell > you the same thing. Ordinarily, this is test, observe, retest, and all Lee is > suggesting is that you do *not* load the proprietary modules. > > Try it before responding to this email, so you do not have to write another. > I already switched nvidia for the nv driver in the kernel. Also disabled by unloading all modules. You're saying i should then see what happens after doing the above ... This is exactly what i'm now doing, tvcard is active (tv) and i'm doing some work as usual. I get the feeling some people consider everyone who is a bit different in approach as either some newbie or an idiot, well wake up, sometimes by looking from a different view at a problem it can be solved. This doesn't mean i don't appreciate the advise of Lee or yours, i only ask for some patience. It's not like the world is going under if we don't solve this in an hour with traditional logic. :) And at this point the system is still working, i'm increasing the load by making it crush numbers, doing a full virusscan and so on.