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From: Martin Bligh <mbligh@mbligh.org>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Gabor Gombas <gombasg@sztaki.hu>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@suse.de>,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, bunk@stusta.de, rml@novell.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, johnstul@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:01:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43FDF887.40202@mbligh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060223175242.GA32750@suse.de>

> They are very reluctant to upgrade kernels today, for released versions
> of the distro, and so they backport kernel fixes and security updates to
> that older kernel, just like all of the packages in a distro.  That's
> they way they work.
> 
> But they work together with mainline as they need it for their _next_
> release that happens again in 6 months or so, with the updated kernel
> and everything else.

I don't think that's universally true at all, either from my own 
observations, or that of others I have talked to.

What I see is people operating in their own silos, and being terrified
to upgrade because they have no idea what random breakage will have
occured in mainline. When they get into that mode, the not only don't
suck new kernels down, they don't push their own changes up.

That's not healthy, and whatever we can do to encourage them to play
with the rest of the world more nicely would be healthy, I think.

M.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-23 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-17 22:45 Linux 2.6.16-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2006-02-17 23:14 ` 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions Adrian Bunk
2006-02-19 11:06   ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-19 14:54     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-19 17:50       ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-19 21:14       ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-20  1:02         ` Greg KH
2006-02-20  7:08           ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-21 22:51           ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-21 22:57             ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-21 23:33               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  0:04                 ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-22  0:15                   ` Mark Lord
2006-02-22  0:21                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  0:34                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22  0:46                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-02-22  1:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 11:21                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 14:25                           ` uswsusp & initrd -- was " Pavel Machek
2006-02-22 15:48                           ` Joel Becker
2006-02-22 16:25                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 17:33                               ` Gabor Gombas
2006-02-22 17:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 18:37                                   ` Christian Trefzer
2006-02-22 18:59                                 ` Joel Becker
2006-02-22 19:18                                   ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 19:29                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 19:40                                       ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 20:45                                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-22 22:51                                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-23  6:39                                             ` Jens Axboe
2006-02-23 17:29                                         ` Martin Bligh
2006-02-23 17:52                                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-23 18:01                                             ` Martin Bligh [this message]
2006-02-23 18:04                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-23 20:26                                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-02-24 23:42                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-22 19:39                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 19:54                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22 20:02                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 20:12                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 20:44                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22 20:26                                     ` Greg KH
2006-02-23  5:28                                       ` Jody McIntyre
2006-02-22 20:57                                     ` Diego Calleja
2006-02-22 21:19                                     ` Russell King
2006-02-22 21:30                                       ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 20:47                             ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-02-22 19:07                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 17:06                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-02-23 12:36                         ` Paulo Marques
2006-02-22 10:49                   ` Diego Calleja
2006-02-22  7:06               ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-22 15:27                 ` Kay Sievers
2006-02-22 15:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 16:03                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-22 16:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 17:17                         ` sysfs regressions (was: 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions) Matthias Andree
2006-02-22 17:47                           ` Greg KH
2006-02-22 16:18                     ` 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 16:35                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 16:46                         ` David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 16:51                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 17:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 17:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-22 18:04                           ` Al Viro
2006-02-23  3:01                             ` John Stoffel
2006-02-22 17:51                         ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 17:55                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-02-22 18:10                             ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 19:25                         ` David Zeuthen
2006-02-22 17:10                       ` Al Viro
2006-02-22 17:10                       ` grundig
2006-02-22 17:14                       ` Martin Bligh
2006-02-23  4:17                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-22 18:10                   ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-22  8:28               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-17 23:27 ` Linux 2.6.16-rc4 Nigel Cunningham
2006-02-18  8:59 ` Edmondo Tommasina
2006-02-18  9:19   ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-18 10:20     ` Con Kolivas
2006-02-18 11:26       ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-18 16:04 ` Jean Delvare
2006-02-22 22:02 ` Linux 2.6.16-rc4 edac oops Mark Rustad
2006-02-24 11:09   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22  2:39 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions Yu, Luming
2006-02-22  3:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-22  6:55 Yu, Luming
2006-02-22 12:23 ` Adrian Bunk

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