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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 21:19:02 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <459661281.10865.1530580742205.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8B2E4CEB-3080-4602-8B62-774E400892EB@amacapital.net>

----- On Jul 2, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Andy Lutomirski luto@amacapital.net wrote:

>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ----- On Jul 2, 2018, at 7:16 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers
>> mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com wrote:
>> 
>>> ----- On Jul 2, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Linus Torvalds torvalds@linux-foundation.org
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 4:00 PM Mathieu Desnoyers
>>>> <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unfortunately, that rseq->rseq_cs field needs to be updated by user-space
>>>>> with single-copy atomicity. Therefore, we want 32-bit user-space to initialize
>>>>> the padding with 0, and only update the low bits with single-copy atomicity.
>>>> 
>>>> Well... It's actually still single-copy atomicity as a 64-bit value.
>>>> 
>>>> Why? Because it doesn't matter how you write the upper bits. You'll be
>>>> writing the same value to them (zero) anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> So who cares if the write ends up being two instructions, because the
>>>> write to the upper bits doesn't actually *do* anything.
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm?
>>> 
>>> Are there any kind of guarantees that a __u64 update on a 32-bit architecture
>>> won't be torn into something daft like byte-per-byte stores when performed
>>> from C code ?
>>> 
>>> I don't worry whether the upper bits get updated or how, but I really care
>>> about not having store tearing of the low bits update.
>> 
>> For the records, most updates of those low bits are done in assembly
>> from critical sections, for which we control exactly how the update is
>> performed.
>> 
>> However, there is one helper function in user-space that updates that value
>> from C through a volatile store, e.g.:
>> 
>> static inline void rseq_prepare_unload(void)
>> {
>>        __rseq_abi.rseq_cs = 0;
>> }
> 
> How about making the field be:
> 
> union {
> __u64 rseq_cs;
> struct {
>   __u32 rseq_cs_low;
>   __u32 rseq_cs_high;
> };
> };
> 
> 32-bit user code that cares about performance can just write to rseq_cs_low
> because it already knows that rseq_cs_high == 0.
> 
> The header could even supply a static inline helper write_rseq_cs() that
> atomically writes a pointer and just does the right thing for 64-bit, for
> 32-bit BE, and for 32-bit LE.
> 
> I think the union really is needed because we can’t rely on user code being
> built with -fno-strict-aliasing.  Or the helper could use inline asm.
> 
> Anyway, the point is that we get optimal code generation (a single instruction
> write of the correct number of bits) without any compat magic in the kernel.

That works for me! Any objection from anyone else for this approach ?

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mathieu
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Mathieu
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mathieu Desnoyers
>>> EfficiOS Inc.
>>> http://www.efficios.com
>> 
>> --
>> Mathieu Desnoyers
>> EfficiOS Inc.
> > http://www.efficios.com

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-03  1:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-02 22:31 [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 22:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:00   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:16       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-02 23:25           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-02 23:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  1:19             ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2018-07-03  2:01               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  2:30                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  2:33                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03  2:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03  8:14                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:29                       ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  8:43                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:55                           ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:17                             ` Heiko Carstens
2018-07-03  9:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  9:21                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 16:40                               ` Andi Kleen
2018-07-03 17:02                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:06                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-03 17:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 17:26                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:34                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:38                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 17:48                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:58                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:11                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:15                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:28                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 18:41                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 19:08                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03 17:59                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-03 18:09                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03 18:10                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  0:19         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  0:23           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-03  0:35             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-07-03  1:17               ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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