From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030990AbXD1VoH (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:44:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030970AbXD1VoH (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:44:07 -0400 Received: from einhorn.in-berlin.de ([192.109.42.8]:37131 "EHLO einhorn.in-berlin.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030990AbXD1VoF (ORCPT ); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:44:05 -0400 X-Envelope-From: stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de Message-ID: <4633BFFC.6060601@s5r6.in-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:43:24 +0200 From: Stefan Richter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070408 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux Kernel Mailing List CC: Adrian Bunk , Linus Torvalds , Diego Calleja , Chuck Ebbert Subject: irks with bugzilla (was Re: Linux 2.6.21) References: <20070426040806.GJ3468@stusta.de> <20070426125802.GL3468@stusta.de> <4630DB24.4030005@redhat.com> <20070426201325.8a1ebda3.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070426224148.69b91b2e.diegocg@gmail.com> <20070428195320.GZ3468@stusta.de> <20070428202701.GA30343@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20070428202701.GA30343@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Russell King wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 09:53:20PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> We are already quite good at ignoring bug reports that come through >> linux-kernel, and it's an _advantage_ of the kernel Bugzilla to see more >> than 1600 open bugs because this tells how bad we are at handling bugs. >> How many thousand bug reports have been ignored during the same time on >> linux-kernel? > > However, look at this bug: > > http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 > > It's outside my knowledge to be able to fix for various reasons: [...] http://bugzilla.kernel.org/faq.cgi says, although it doesn't make a lot of sense: "Q. If a bug has an owner does that mean they are working on it? A. No. If it is not in the ASSIGNED state then no one is working on it. The owner defaults to the subsytem maintainer. However, anyone who wants to submit a patch or add more info to a bug can do so. If the bug is reassigned to someone then the owner field will reflect that change." So the "owner" field is bogus per default. It would be better if the bugzilla admins used only meta-addresses instead of a person's address for any automatically filled-in "owner" field, unless a person specifically wants to assume this automatic owner role. I for example am not automatic owner of IEEE 1394 bugs; drivers_ieee1394@kernel-bugs.osdl.org is. And I am watching this pseudo owner. So in fact, the "owner" field should be replaced by - a mail exploder for each component which can be watched by interested people, - an "assignee" field which is filled in when a bug is assigned to a person. Now that I am at it, another quote from http://bugzilla.kernel.org/faq.cgi : "Q. What does a subsystem maintainer do? A. He or She will track new bugs and assign them to people or reject it for various reasons. They periodically check to make sure things are getting worked on and review fixes to make sure they are well written." A maintainer in the project called linux kernel will almost never assign bugs to people (besides to himself). He could if he employed or otherwise supervised people to assign bugs to. This especially applies to so-called "subsystem maintainers in kernel tracker", which are not what many people think "subsystem maintainers" are: "Q. Why are the subsystem maintainers in kernel tracker sometimes different than the person listed in the MAINTAINER file? A. The subsystem maintainers in kernel tracker are volunteers to help track bugs in an area they are interested in. Sometimes they are the same person as on kernel.org sometimes they are not. There are still some categories with no maintainers so more volunteers are needed." Another quibble: This FAQ I'm quoting can be reached from the cover page of bugzilla.kernel.org, i.e. from http://bugzilla.kernel.org/. However, none of the other web pages of this site link to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/. Same for the bugme-admin contact. Because I find bugzilla.kernel.org quite useful for myself, I filed these complaints of mine under http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8396 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8397 http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8394 in hope that they are taken into consideration by those who maintain the site. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=-=== -=-- ===-- http://arcgraph.de/sr/