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From: Thorsten Leemhuis <>
To: Daniel Harding <>,
	Pavel Begunkov <>
Cc:,,, Jens Axboe <>,
	Christian Brauner <>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] lxc-stop hang on 5.17.x kernels
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:17:56 +0200	[thread overview]
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On 16.05.22 17:13, Daniel Harding wrote:
> On 5/16/22 16:57, Daniel Harding wrote:
>> On 5/16/22 16:25, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>>> On 5/16/22 13:12, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>>>> On 5/15/22 19:34, Daniel Harding wrote:
>>>>> On 5/15/22 11:20, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>>>>>> On 04.05.22 08:54, Daniel Harding wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/3/22 17:14, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/3/22 08:37, Daniel Harding wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [Resend with a smaller trace]
>>>>>>>>> On 5/3/22 02:14, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/22 19:49, Daniel Harding wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/22 20:40, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/22 18:00, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/22 7:59 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/22 7:36 AM, Daniel Harding wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/22 16:26, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/2/22 7:17 AM, Daniel Harding wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use lxc-4.0.12 on Gentoo, built with io-uring support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (--enable-liburing), targeting liburing-2.1.  My kernel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very lightly modified version of Fedora's generic kernel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config. After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving from the 5.16.x series to the 5.17.x kernel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> series, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed frequent hangs in lxc-stop. It doesn't happen 100%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, but definitely more than 50% of the time. Bisecting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> narrowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down the issue to commit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aa43477b040251f451db0d844073ac00a8ab66ee:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io_uring: poll rework. Testing indicates the problem is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 5.18-rc5. Unfortunately I do not have the expertise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> codebases of either lxc or io-uring to try to debug the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further on my own, but I can easily apply patches to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved components (lxc, liburing, kernel) and rebuild
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validation.  I am also happy to provide any further
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be helpful with reproducing or debugging the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a recipe to reproduce the hang? That would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly easier to figure out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can reproduce it with just the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       sudo lxc-create --n lxc-test --template download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --bdev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dir --dir /var/lib/lxc/lxc-test/rootfs -- -d ubuntu -r
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bionic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -a amd64
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       sudo lxc-start -n lxc-test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       sudo lxc-stop -n lxc-test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The lxc-stop command never exits and the container continues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that isn't sufficient to reproduce, please let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, that's useful! I'm at a conference this week and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hence have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited amount of time to debug, hopefully Pavel has time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't manage to reproduce. Can you try, on both the good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kernel, to do:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Same here, it doesn't reproduce for me
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, sorry it wasn't something simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>> # echo 1 > /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/events/io_uring/enable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run lxc-stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # cp /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace ~/iou-trace
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we can see what's going on? Looking at the source, lxc
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plain POLL_ADD, so I'm guessing it's not getting a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> notification
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expects to, or it's POLL_REMOVE not doing its job. If we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trace
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from both a working and broken kernel, that might shed some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on it.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's late in my timezone, but I'll try to work on getting those
>>>>>>>>>>> traces tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>> I think I got it, I've attached a trace.
>>>>>>>>>> What's interesting is that it issues a multi shot poll but I
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> see any kind of cancellation, neither cancel requests nor
>>>>>>>>>> task/ring
>>>>>>>>>> exit. Perhaps have to go look at lxc to see how it's supposed
>>>>>>>>>> to work
>>>>>>>>> Yes, that looks exactly like my bad trace.  I've attached good
>>>>>>>>> trace
>>>>>>>>> (captured with linux-5.16.19) and a bad trace (captured with
>>>>>>>>> linux-5.17.5).  These are the differences I noticed with just a
>>>>>>>>> visual scan:
>>>>>>>>> * Both traces have three io_uring_submit_sqe calls at the very
>>>>>>>>> beginning, but in the good trace, there are further
>>>>>>>>> io_uring_submit_sqe calls throughout the trace, while in the bad
>>>>>>>>> trace, there are none.
>>>>>>>>> * The good trace uses a mask of c3 for io_uring_task_add much more
>>>>>>>>> often than the bad trace:  the bad trace uses a mask of c3 only
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the very last call to io_uring_task_add, but a mask of 41 for the
>>>>>>>>> other calls.
>>>>>>>>> * In the good trace, many of the io_uring_complete calls have a
>>>>>>>>> result of 195, while in the bad trace, they all have a result
>>>>>>>>> of 1.
>>>>>>>>> I don't know whether any of those things are significant or
>>>>>>>>> not, but
>>>>>>>>> that's what jumped out at me.
>>>>>>>>> I have also attached a copy of the script I used to generate the
>>>>>>>>> traces.  If there is anything further I can to do help debug,
>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>> let me know.
>>>>>>>> Good observations! thanks for traces.
>>>>>>>> It sounds like multi-shot poll requests were getting downgraded
>>>>>>>> to one-shot, which is a valid behaviour and was so because we
>>>>>>>> didn't fully support some cases. If that's the reason, than
>>>>>>>> the userspace/lxc is misusing the ABI. At least, that's the
>>>>>>>> working hypothesis for now, need to check lxc.
>>>>>>> So, I looked at the lxc source code, and it appears to at least
>>>>>>> try to
>>>>>>> handle the case of multi-shot being downgraded to one-shot.  I don't
>>>>>>> know enough to know if the code is actually correct however:
>>>>>> Hi, this is your Linux kernel regression tracker. Nothing happened
>>>>>> here
>>>>>> for round about ten days now afaics; or did the discussion continue
>>>>>> somewhere else.
>>>>>>  From what I gathered from this discussion is seems the root cause
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> be in LXC, but it was exposed by kernel change. That makes it sill a
>>>>>> kernel regression that should be fixed; or is there a strong
>>>>>> reason why
>>>>>> we should let this one slip?
>>>>> No, there hasn't been any discussion since the email you replied
>>>>> to. I've done a bit more testing on my end, but without anything
>>>>> conclusive.  The one thing I can say is that my testing shows that
>>>>> LXC does correctly handle multi-shot poll requests which were being
>>>>> downgraded to one-shot in 5.16.x kernels, which I think invalidates
>>>>> Pavel's theory.  In 5.17.x kernels, those same poll requests are no
>>>>> longer being downgraded to one-shot requests, and thus under 5.17.x
>>>>> LXC is no longer re-arming those poll requests (but also shouldn't
>>>>> need to, according to what is being returned by the kernel). I
>>>>> don't know if this change in kernel behavior is related to the
>>>>> hang, or if it is just a side effect of other io-uring changes that
>>>>> made it into 5.17.  Nothing in the LXC's usage of io-uring seems
>>>>> obviously incorrect to me, but I am far from an expert.  I also did
>>>>> some work toward creating a simpler reproducer, without success (I
>>>>> was able to get a simple program using io-uring running, but never
>>>>> could get it to hang).  ISTM that this is still a kernel
>>>>> regression, unless someone can point out a definite fault in the
>>>>> way LXC is using io-uring.
>>>> Haven't had time to debug it. Apparently LXC is stuck on
>>>> read(2) terminal fd. Not yet clear what is the reason.
>>> How it was with oneshots:
>>> 1: kernel: poll fires, add a CQE
>>> 2: kernel: remove poll
>>> 3: userspace: get CQE
>>> 4: userspace: read(terminal_fd);
>>> 5: userspace: add new poll
>>> 6: goto 1)
>>> What might happen and actually happens with multishot:
>>> 1: kernel: poll fires, add CQE1
>>> 2: kernel: poll fires again, add CQE2
>>> 3: userspace: get CQE1
>>> 4: userspace: read(terminal_fd); // reads all data, for both CQE1 and
>>> CQE2
>>> 5: userspace: get CQE2
>>> 6: userspace: read(terminal_fd); // nothing to read, hangs here
>>> It should be the read in lxc_terminal_ptx_io().
>>> IMHO, it's not a regression but a not perfect feature API and/or
>>> an API misuse.
>>> Cc: Christian Brauner
>>> Christian, in case you may have some input on the LXC side of things.
>>> Daniel reported an LXC problem when it uses io_uring multishot poll
>>> requests.
>>> Before aa43477b04025 ("io_uring: poll rework"), multishot poll
>>> requests for
>>> tty/pty and some other files were always downgraded to oneshots,
>>> which had
>>> been fixed by the commit and exposed the problem. I hope the example
>>> above
>>> explains it, but please let me know if it needs more details
>> Pavel, I had actually just started a draft email with the same theory
>> (although you stated it much more clearly than I could have).  I'm
>> working on debugging the LXC side, but I'm pretty sure the issue is
>> due to LXC using blocking reads and getting stuck exactly as you
>> describe.  If I can confirm this, I'll go ahead and mark this
>> regression as invalid and file an issue with LXC. Thanks for your help
>> and patience.
> Yes, it does appear that was the problem.  The attach POC patch against
> LXC fixes the hang.  The kernel is working as intended.
> #regzbot invalid:  userspace programming error

Hmmm, not sure if I like this. So yes, this might be a bug in LXC, but
afaics it's a bug that was exposed by kernel change in 5.17 (correct me
if I'm wrong!). The problem thus still qualifies as a kernel regression
that normally needs to be fixed, as can be seen my some of the quotes
from Linus in this file:

Reg. the "normally": there are situations when we let a regression like
this slip -- for example if this particular use case is really odd, so
that the regression only occurs for very very few users. Is that the
case here? Or will most systems with a current or older version of LXC
show the reported problem if they are updated to 5.17 without updating
to a fixed LXC version as well? Then I'd say we likely should try to
find a workaround, as Linus otherwise won't be happy if he ever stumbles
about this thread.

Ciao, Thorsten (wearing his 'the Linux kernel's regression tracker' hat)

P.S.: As the Linux kernel's regression tracker I deal with a lot of
reports and sometimes miss something important when writing mails like
this. If that's the case here, don't hesitate to tell me in a public
reply, it's in everyone's interest to set the public record straight

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-16 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-02 13:17 [REGRESSION] lxc-stop hang on 5.17.x kernels Daniel Harding
2022-05-02 13:26 ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-02 13:36   ` Daniel Harding
2022-05-02 13:59     ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-02 17:00       ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-02 17:40         ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-05-02 18:49           ` Daniel Harding
2022-05-02 23:14             ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-05-03  7:13               ` Daniel Harding
2022-05-03  7:37               ` Daniel Harding
2022-05-03 14:14                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-05-04  6:54                   ` Daniel Harding
2022-05-15  8:20                     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-05-15 18:34                       ` Daniel Harding
2022-05-16 12:12                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-05-16 13:25                           ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-05-16 13:57                             ` Daniel Harding
2022-05-16 15:13                               ` Daniel Harding
2022-05-16 18:13                                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-05-17  8:19                                   ` Christian Brauner
2022-05-17 10:31                                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-05-16 18:17                                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis [this message]
2022-05-16 18:22                                   ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-16 18:34                                     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-05-16 18:39                                       ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-16 19:07                                         ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-05-16 19:14                                           ` Jens Axboe

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