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From: Michael Kerrisk <mtk-manpages@gmx.net>
To: "Amit K. Arora" <aarora@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, dgc@sgi.com
Subject: Re: fallocate() man page
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:43:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46AE3F4C.3050505@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070723131039.GA29198@amitarora.in.ibm.com>

Hello Amit.

> On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 08:09:45AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk wrote:
>> Amit,
>>
>> I've taken the page that you sent and made various minor formatting and
>> wording fixes.  I've also added various FIXMEs to the page.  Some of these
>> ("FIXME .") are things that I need to check up later.  Some others are
>> questions for which I need input from you, David, or someone else with the
>> relevant info (I've marked these "FIXME Amit:").  Could you please review,
>> and send a new draft of the page back to me.
> 
> Thanks for going through the manpage and improving it!
> 
> My comments are below in between <Amit> ... </Amit> tags.
> 
> Thanks!
[...]

> The
> .I mode
> argument determines the operation to be performed on the given range.
> Currently only one flag is supported for
> .IR mode :
> .TP
> .B FALLOC_FL_KEEP_SIZE
> allocates and initializes to zero the disk space within the given range.
> .\" FIXME Amit: The next two sentences seem to contradict
> .\" each other somewhat.  On the one hand, later writes
> .\" are guaranteed not to fail for lack of space; on the other
> .\" hand, the file size id not changed even if it is currently
> .\" smaller than offset+len bytes.
> .\" Could you explain this a little further.  (E.g., how does
> .\" the kernel guarantee space without changing the size
> .\" of the file?)
> .\" <Amit>
> .\"     Well, this is a feature where you can allocate/reserve space for
> .\" a file without changing the file size. This is done by allocating blocks
> .\" to the file, but still not changing the size. As mentioned below, this
> .\" helps applications that use append mode a lot. These can open
> .\" a file in append mode and start writing to "preallocated" space.
> .\" So, if someone does a stat on a file after fallocate() with this mode (where
> .\" file size is not changed), he/she will see that the st_blocks
> .\" increased, but st_size did not change.
> .\" </Amit>

Okay -- I tried rewording the text here a little to make this clearer.  Can
you review the new version to see that it's okay.

[...]

> .\" FIXME Amit: Which other flags are likely to appear
> .\" for mode, and in which kernel version are they likely?
> .\" <Amit>
> .\"    There were few more flags which were discussed, but none of
> .\" them have been finalized upon. Here are these flags:
> .\" FA_FL_DEALLOC, FA_FL_DEL_DATA, FA_FL_ERR_FREE, FA_FL_NO_MTIME, FA_FL_NO_CTIME
> .\" All of the above flags were debated upon and we can not say if any/which one
> .\" of these flags will make it to the later kernels.
> .\" </Amit>

Thanks for the info.

[...]

> .\" FIXME Amit: is it worth adding a few words to the following
> .\" sentence to say why fallocate() may allocate a larger range
> .\" than specified?
> .\" <Amit>
> .\"     The preallocation is done in block size chunks. Thus, if the last
> .\" few bytes in the range falls in a new block, this entire block gets
> .\" allocated to the file. Hence we may have slightly larger range allocated.
> .\" I have tried to add one line to explain this below. Please see if it
> .\" makes sense and is understandable. Thanks!
> .\" </Amit>

Thanks.

> .PP
> .BR fallocate ()
> may allocate a larger range than that was specified.
> .\" <Amit>
> .\" This is because allocation is done in block size chunks and hence
> .\" the allocation will automatically get block aligned.
> .\" </Amit>

I made the sentence:

    Because allocation is done in block size chunks, fallocate()
    may allocate a larger range than that which was specified.

okay?

[...]

> .TP
> .B ENODEV
> .I fd
> does not refer to a regular file or a directory.
> .TP
> .B ENOSPC
> There is not enough space left on the device containing the file
> referred to by
> .IR fd .
> .TP
> .B ESPIPE
> .I fd
> refers to a pipe of file descriptor.
> .\" FIXME Amit: ENODEV says "fd is not a file or a directory";
> .\" ESPIPE says (I had to fix the text a little) "refers to a pipe".
> .\" This doesn't make sense: if fd is a pipe, then either one
> .\" of these errors could occur.  Which is it supposed to be?
> .\" <Amit>
> .\"    This is inline with posix_fallocate manpage. If it is a pipe,
> .\" user will get ESPIPE.
> .\" </Amit>

Okay -- thanks.  I reworded the text for the ESNODEV error to make this
clearer.  (Please check the wording in the next draft.)

By the way in fs/open.c I see the comment:

        /*
         * Let individual file system decide if it supports preallocation
         * for directories or not.
         */
        if (!S_ISREG(inode->i_mode) && !S_ISDIR(inode->i_mode))
                goto out_fput;

But that comment doesn't seem to accord with the line of code immediately
below it (S_ISDIR() check is doene regardles of file system type).  Do I
misunderstand something -- or is the comment wrong?

[...]

> .TP
> .B EOPNOTSUPP
> .\" FIXME Amit: can you say a little more about the following error
> .\" <Amit>
> .\" How does following sound ?
> .\" 'The specified mode is not supported on the object by the file system.'
> .\" </Amit>

I made it:

    The mode is not supported by the file system containing the file
    referred to by fd.

Okay?

[...]

New version of the page on its way soon.

Cheers,

Michael

-- 
Michael Kerrisk
maintainer of Linux man pages Sections 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-30 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-13 12:38 [PATCH 0/6][TAKE7] fallocate system call Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 12:46 ` [PATCH 1/6][TAKE7] manpage for fallocate Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 14:06   ` David Chinner
2007-07-13 14:27     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-14  8:23   ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-16  5:32     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-23  6:09       ` fallocate() man page Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-23 13:10         ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-24  7:06           ` David Chinner
2007-07-30  6:21             ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-07-30 19:43           ` Michael Kerrisk [this message]
2007-07-31 13:56             ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-30 19:44           ` fallocate() man page - darft 2 Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-02 17:36             ` Amit K. Arora
2007-08-03 11:59               ` Michael Kerrisk
2007-08-06  6:10                 ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 12:47 ` [PATCH 2/6][TAKE7] fallocate() implementation in i386, x86_64 and powerpc Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 13:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-13 14:18     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 14:46       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-13 12:48 ` [PATCH 3/6][TAKE7] revalidate write permissions for fallocate Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 13:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-13 14:28     ` Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 12:50 ` [PATCH 4/6][TAKE7] ext4: fallocate support in ext4 Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 12:52 ` [PATCH 5/6][TAKE7] ext4: write support for preallocated blocks Amit K. Arora
2007-07-13 12:52 ` [PATCH 6/6][TAKE7] ext4: change for better extent-to-group alignment Amit K. Arora

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