From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Cc: "akataria@vmware.com" <akataria@vmware.com>,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux.
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:35:39 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E6BA5B.2090804@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0B53E02A2965CE4F9ADB38B34501A3A15DCBA325@orsmsx505.amr.corp.intel.com>
Nakajima, Jun wrote:
>
> What I mean is that a hypervisor (with a single vender id) can support multiple interfaces, exposing a single interface to each guest that would expect a specific interface at runtime.
>
Yes, and for the reasons outlined in a previous post in this thread,
this is an incredibly bad idea. We already hate the guts of the ACPI
people for this reason.
>
> What's the significance of supporting multiple interfaces to the same guest simultaneously, i.e. _runtime_? We don't want the guests to run on such a literarily Frankenstein machine. And practically, such testing/debugging would be good only for Halloween :-).
>
By that notion, EVERY CPU currently shipped is a "Frankenstein" CPU,
since at very least they export Intel-derived and AMD-derived
interfaces. This is in other words, a ridiculous claim.
> The interface space can be distinct, but the contents are defined and implemented independently, thus you might find overlaps, inconsistency, etc. among the interfaces. And why is runtime "multiple interfaces" required for a standards-based interface?
That is the whole point -- without a central coordinating authority,
you're going to have to accommodate many definition sources. Otherwise,
you're just back to where we started -- each hypervisor exports an
interface and that's just that.
If there are multiple interface specifications, they should be exported
simulateously in non-conflicting numberspaces, and the *GUEST* gets to
choose what to believe. We already do this for *all kinds* of
information, including CPUID. It's the right thing to do.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-04 0:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-01 17:14 [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:33 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:05 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 22:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02 1:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 22:33 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04 0:27 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04 0:35 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-10-07 22:30 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08 1:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:41 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08 0:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-04 8:53 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:12 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 19:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:38 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 21:01 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:15 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:23 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:43 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-02 11:29 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 23:47 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 0:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 0:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 1:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 0:41 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <48E3BBC1.2050607__35819.6151479662$1222884502$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 20:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <48E3D8A8.604__13396.6479487301$1222891831$gmane$org@goop.org>
2008-10-01 21:03 ` Anthony Liguori
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