From: Thiago Macieira <thiago.macieira@intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
"Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
"Liu, Jing2" <jing2.liu@intel.com>,
"Shankar, Ravi V" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 12/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Use feature disable (XFD) to protect dynamic user state
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:06:06 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4972956.jzBc5Dc2ta@tjmaciei-mobl5> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ea7eddc4-decd-47b7-b98b-c04c441495d9@www.fastmail.com>
On Wednesday, 18 August 2021 18:21:11 PDT Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> But it's not the only possible solution. A future kernel could decide to
> leave
> > some bits off and only enable upon request. That's how macOS/Darwin does
> > its AVX512 support.
>
> The fact that Darwin does this strongly suggests that real programs can
> handle it, which increases my inclination for Linux to do the same thing.
Yes and no... yes, programs could be made to handle this. I've reached to the
Intel team responsible for the instructions in the manual on how to detect
AVX512 and AMX, so the content is extended to say there's an OS-specific part
that software developers need to be aware of. But until then, it's not very
discoverable. As a result, there's plenty of software that could enable AVX512
on the Xeon-based Mac Pros but never do because the developers didn't know
that there was more than what the manual said. But the worst case that can
happen here is that the software gracefully falls back to AVX2 or an earlier
instruction set (unlike the Linux solution).
No, because XSETBV causes a VM exit, so we don't want to execute that on a
context switch, for performance reasons. That's probably not been a concern
for Apple developers, but is for Linux.
--
Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com
Software Architect - Intel DPG Cloud Engineering
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-19 16:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-30 14:59 [PATCH v9 00/26] x86: Support Intel Advanced Matrix Extensions Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 01/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Modify the initialization helper to handle both static and dynamic buffers Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 02/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Modify state copy helpers " Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 03/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Modify address finders " Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 04/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Add a new variable to indicate dynamic user states Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 05/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Add new variables to indicate dynamic XSTATE buffer size Chang S. Bae
2021-08-12 15:03 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 06/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Calculate and remember dynamic XSTATE buffer sizes Chang S. Bae
2021-08-12 16:36 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 07/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Convert the struct fpu 'state' field to a pointer Chang S. Bae
2021-08-12 17:09 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 08/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce helpers to manage the XSTATE buffer dynamically Chang S. Bae
2021-08-12 19:44 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-13 8:04 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-13 10:04 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-13 19:43 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-18 9:28 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-18 19:46 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-25 16:01 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-30 17:07 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-30 23:39 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-16 18:33 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-16 18:53 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-30 17:45 ` Dave Hansen
2021-08-30 23:39 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 09/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Update the XSTATE save function to support dynamic states Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 10/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Update the XSTATE buffer address finder " Chang S. Bae
2021-08-18 11:33 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-18 19:47 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-30 17:18 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-30 23:38 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 11/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Update the XSTATE context copy function " Chang S. Bae
2021-08-18 12:03 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-18 19:47 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 12/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Use feature disable (XFD) to protect dynamic user state Chang S. Bae
2021-08-18 16:24 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-18 17:20 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-08-18 17:46 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-18 17:58 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-08-18 18:10 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-24 22:51 ` Len Brown
2021-08-18 20:43 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-18 21:04 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-08-18 21:12 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-18 22:27 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-08-19 1:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-19 16:06 ` Thiago Macieira [this message]
2021-08-18 21:17 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-18 21:37 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-19 8:00 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-19 15:24 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-24 23:22 ` Len Brown
2021-08-30 17:31 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-09-17 3:48 ` Len Brown
2021-08-18 19:47 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-24 22:21 ` Len Brown
2021-08-30 17:41 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-31 21:44 ` Len Brown
2021-08-24 23:17 ` Len Brown
2021-08-30 17:53 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-08-31 22:07 ` Len Brown
2021-08-31 22:11 ` Dave Hansen
2021-08-30 18:04 ` Dave Hansen
2021-08-31 22:15 ` Len Brown
2021-08-31 22:16 ` Len Brown
2021-08-31 22:39 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-08-31 22:44 ` Len Brown
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 13/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Support ptracer-induced XSTATE buffer expansion Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 14/26] x86/arch_prctl: Create ARCH_SET_STATE_ENABLE/ARCH_GET_STATE_ENABLE Chang S. Bae
2021-08-06 16:46 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-08-09 22:08 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-09 23:42 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-08-10 0:57 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-13 19:44 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 15/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Support both legacy and expanded signal XSTATE size Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 16/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Adjust the XSAVE feature table to address gaps in state component numbers Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 17/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Disable XSTATE support if an inconsistent state is detected Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 18/26] x86/cpufeatures/amx: Enumerate Advanced Matrix Extension (AMX) feature bits Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 19/26] x86/fpu/amx: Define AMX state components and have it used for boot-time checks Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 20/26] x86/fpu/amx: Initialize child's AMX state Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 21/26] x86/fpu/amx: Enable the AMX feature in 64-bit mode Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 22/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Skip writing zeros to signal frame for dynamic user states if in INIT-state Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 23/26] selftest/x86/amx: Test cases for the AMX state management Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 24/26] x86/insn/amx: Add TILERELEASE instruction to the opcode map Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 25/26] intel_idle/amx: Add SPR support with XTILEDATA capability Chang S. Bae
2021-07-30 18:41 ` Dave Hansen
2021-08-03 21:32 ` Bae, Chang Seok
2021-08-03 21:38 ` Dave Hansen
2021-08-03 21:43 ` Brown, Len
2021-07-30 20:15 ` Dave Hansen
2021-07-30 14:59 ` [PATCH v9 26/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Add a sanity check for XFD state when saving XSTATE Chang S. Bae
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