From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC75C43381 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D8320643 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726889AbfCLC4b (ORCPT ); Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:56:31 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:50510 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726167AbfCLC4a (ORCPT ); Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:56:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 928DE88313; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.72.12.17] (ovpn-12-17.pek2.redhat.com [10.72.12.17]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A380460C4C; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V2 5/5] vhost: access vq metadata through kernel virtual address To: Andrea Arcangeli , "Michael S. Tsirkin" Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, peterx@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, Jerome Glisse References: <1551856692-3384-1-git-send-email-jasowang@redhat.com> <1551856692-3384-6-git-send-email-jasowang@redhat.com> <20190307103503-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20190307124700-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20190307191622.GP23850@redhat.com> <20190308194845.GC26923@redhat.com> <8b68a2a0-907a-15f5-a07f-fc5b53d7ea19@redhat.com> <20190311084525-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20190311134305.GC23321@redhat.com> From: Jason Wang Message-ID: <4979eed5-9e3f-5ee0-f4f4-1a5e2a839b21@redhat.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 10:56:20 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190311134305.GC23321@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.12 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.28]); Tue, 12 Mar 2019 02:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 2019/3/11 下午9:43, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 08:48:37AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: >> Using copyXuser is better I guess. > It certainly would be faster there, but I don't think it's needed if > that would be the only use case left that justifies supporting two > different models. On small 32bit systems with little RAM kmap won't > perform measurably different on 32bit or 64bit systems. If the 32bit > host has a lot of ram it all gets slow anyway at accessing RAM above > the direct mapping, if compared to 64bit host kernels, it's not just > an issue for vhost + mmu notifier + kmap and the best way to optimize > things is to run 64bit host kernels. > > Like Christoph pointed out, the main use case for retaining the > copy-user model would be CPUs with virtually indexed not physically > tagged data caches (they'll still suffer from the spectre-v1 fix, > although I exclude they have to suffer the SMAP > slowdown/feature). Those may require some additional flushing than the > current copy-user model requires. > > As a rule of thumb any arch where copy_user_page doesn't define as > copy_page will require some additional cache flushing after the > kmap. Supposedly with vmap, the vmap layer should have taken care of > that (I didn't verify that yet). vmap_page_range()/free_unmap_vmap_area() will call fluch_cache_vmap()/flush_cache_vunmap(). So vmap layer should be ok. Thanks > > There are some accessories like copy_to_user_page() > copy_from_user_page() that could work and obviously defines to raw > memcpy on x86 (the main cons is they don't provide word granular > access) and at least on sparc they're tailored to ptrace assumptions > so then we'd need to evaluate what happens if this is used outside of > ptrace context. kmap has been used generally either to access whole > pages (i.e. copy_user_page), so ptrace may actually be the only use > case with subpage granularity access. > > #define copy_to_user_page(vma, page, vaddr, dst, src, len) \ > do { \ > flush_cache_page(vma, vaddr, page_to_pfn(page)); \ > memcpy(dst, src, len); \ > flush_ptrace_access(vma, page, vaddr, src, len, 0); \ > } while (0) > > So I wouldn't rule out the need for a dual model, until we solve how > to run this stable on non-x86 arches with not physically tagged > caches. > > Thanks, > Andrea