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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:02:15 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AA54AA7.9080709@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090907094953.GP18599@kernel.dk>

On 09/07/2009 12:49 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>
> I ran a simple test as well, since I was curious to see how it performed
> wrt interactiveness. One of my pet peeves with the current scheduler is
> that I have to nice compile jobs, or my X experience is just awful while
> the compile is running.
>    

I think the problem is that CFS is optimizing for the wrong thing.  It's 
trying to be fair to tasks, but these are meaningless building blocks of 
jobs, which is what the user sees and measures.  Your make -j128 
dominates your interactive task by two orders of magnitude.  If the 
scheduler attempts to bridge this gap using heuristics, it will fail 
badly when it misdetects since it will starve the really important 
100-thread job for a task that was misdetected as interactive.

I think that bash (and the GUI shell) should put any new job (for bash, 
a pipeline; for the GUI, an application launch from the menu) in a 
scheduling group of its own.  This way it will have equal weight in the 
scheduler's eyes with interactive tasks; one will not dominate the 
other.  Of course if the cpu is free the compile job is welcome to use 
all 128 threads.

(similarly, different login sessions should be placed in different jobs 
to avoid a heavily multithreaded screensaver from overwhelming ed).

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-09-07 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 224+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-06 20:59 BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07  2:05 ` Frans Pop
2009-09-07 12:16   ` [quad core results] " Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 12:36     ` Stefan Richter
2009-09-07 13:41     ` Markus Tornqvist
2009-09-07 13:59       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09  5:54         ` Markus Tornqvist
2009-09-07 14:45       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-07 15:20         ` Frans Pop
2009-09-07 15:36           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-07 15:47             ` Frans Pop
2009-09-07 15:24         ` Xavier Bestel
2009-09-07 15:37           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-07 16:00           ` Diego Calleja
2009-09-07 15:34     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07  3:38 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07 11:01   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-08 18:15     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-10 20:25       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-09-07 14:40   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-08  7:19     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08  8:31       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-08 20:22         ` Frans Pop
2009-09-08 21:10           ` Michal Schmidt
2009-09-08 21:11           ` Frans Pop
2009-09-08 21:40             ` GeunSik Lim
2009-09-08 22:36               ` Frans Pop
2009-09-09  9:53           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-09 11:14             ` David Newall
2009-09-09 11:32               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-09 11:55             ` Frans Pop
2009-09-11  1:36               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-16 18:27                 ` Frans Pop
2009-09-17  1:29                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-01  9:36                     ` Frans Pop
2009-09-08  8:38       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-08 10:13         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 11:32           ` Juergen Beisert
2009-09-08 22:00             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 23:20               ` Jiri Kosina
2009-09-08 23:38                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 12:03           ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-08 21:28             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 14:20           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-08 22:53             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07 23:54   ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-09-08 11:30     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07  3:50 ` Con Kolivas
2009-09-07 18:20   ` Jerome Glisse
2009-09-07  9:49 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 10:12   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07 10:41     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 11:57   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 14:14     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 17:38       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 20:44         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08  9:13           ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-08 15:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 20:34               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09  6:13                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09  8:34                   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-09  8:52                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09  9:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09  9:18                       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09  9:05                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-09  9:17                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09  9:40                         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-09 10:17                           ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-10 19:45                         ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-10 20:06                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 20:39                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-10 20:42                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 21:19                                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-11  9:26                                   ` Mat
2009-09-12 11:26                                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-09  9:10                     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 11:54                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 12:20                         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-09 18:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09 20:12                             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-09 20:50                               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  1:02                                 ` Con Kolivas
2009-09-10 11:03                                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  3:15                               ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10  6:08                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  6:40                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  9:54                                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 10:03                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 10:11                                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 10:28                                         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 10:57                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 11:09                                             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 11:21                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 11:24                                                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 11:28                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 11:35                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 11:42                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 16:02                                 ` Bret Towe
2009-09-10 16:05                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-10 16:12                                     ` Bret Towe
2009-09-10 16:26                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 16:33                                         ` Bret Towe
2009-09-10 17:03                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 17:53                                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-10 18:46                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 18:51                                   ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Disable NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS for now tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 18:57                                   ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Fix sched::sched_stat_wait tracepoint field tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  9:48                             ` BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  9:59                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 10:01                                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  6:55                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-10  6:58                             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  7:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  9:44                                 ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  9:45                                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 13:53                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-09-10  7:33                               ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10  7:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  7:53                                   ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 10:02                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 10:09                                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-10 18:00                                       ` [crash, bisected] Re: clocksource: Resolve cpu hotplug dead lock with TSC unstable Ingo Molnar
2009-09-11  7:37                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-11  7:48                                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-11 13:33                                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-11 18:22                                             ` [tip:timers/core] clocksource: Resolve cpu hotplug dead lock with TSC unstable, fix crash tip-bot for Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-14 15:19                                             ` [crash, bisected] Re: clocksource: Resolve cpu hotplug dead lock with TSC unstable Ingo Molnar
2009-09-14 15:37                                               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-14 17:59                                               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-09-10  6:59                             ` BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09 12:48                         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09 15:37                     ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Turn off child_runs_first tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09 17:57                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-09 18:08                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09 18:59                           ` Chris Friesen
2009-09-09 19:48                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-09 15:37                     ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Re-tune the scheduler latency defaults to decrease worst-case latencies tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2009-09-12 11:45                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-09 15:37                     ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Keep kthreads at default priority tip-bot for Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09 16:55                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-09-09 17:06                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-09 17:34                           ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-12 11:48                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-12 12:19                               ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-09 11:52               ` BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-07 18:02   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-09-07 18:46     ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 20:36       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 20:46         ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 21:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 21:05             ` Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 22:18               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09  7:38   ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-10 12:19     ` latt location (Was Re: BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements) Jens Axboe
2009-09-07 15:16 ` BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Michael Buesch
2009-09-07 18:26   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 18:47     ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-07 18:51     ` Michael Buesch
2009-09-07 20:57       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-07 23:24         ` Pekka Pietikainen
2009-09-08  8:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08  8:13             ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 10:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08 10:40                 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 11:35                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08 19:06                     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 12:00                 ` el_es
2009-09-08 15:45         ` Michael Buesch
2009-09-08  7:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08  9:50       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-08 13:09         ` Ralf Baechle
2009-09-09  1:36           ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-08 13:09         ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-09  0:28           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-09  0:37             ` David Miller
2009-09-08 14:45       ` Michael Buesch
2009-09-18 11:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-18 14:46           ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-19 18:01             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-19 18:43               ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-19 19:39                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-19 20:15                   ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-19 20:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-19 20:33                       ` Felix Fietkau
2009-09-20 18:10                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-08 12:57 ` Epic regression in throughput since v2.6.23 Serge Belyshev
2009-09-08 17:47   ` Jesse Brandeburg
2009-09-08 18:20     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 19:00     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-09-08 19:20       ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-08 19:26         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-09-08 18:37   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-08 22:15   ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-09 15:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-09 20:49       ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-09 21:23         ` Cory Fields
2009-09-10  6:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10 23:23           ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-11  6:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-11  8:55               ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-13 15:27               ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-13 15:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-13 19:17                   ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-14  6:15                     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-16 19:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-16 23:18                   ` Serge Belyshev
2009-09-17  4:55                     ` [patchlet] " Mike Galbraith
2009-09-17  5:06                       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-17  7:21                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-10  7:43 ` [updated] BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Ingo Molnar
2009-09-14  9:46 ` Phoronix CFS vs BFS bencharks Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-14 11:35   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]     ` <f42384a10909140727k463ff460q3859892dcb79bcc5@mail.gmail.com>
2009-09-14 15:32       ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-14 19:14         ` Marcin Letyns
2009-09-14 20:49           ` Willy Tarreau
2009-09-15  8:37             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-10 21:17 BFS vs. mainline scheduler benchmarks and measurements Martin Steigerwald
2009-09-11 10:10 Mat
2009-09-11 18:33 Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-09-12  7:37 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-12  7:51   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-12  8:27   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-09-12  9:03     ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-09-12  9:34       ` Volker Armin Hemmann

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