From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756766Ab0KQNWm (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:22:42 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64]:38175 "EHLO elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754350Ab0KQNWl (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:22:41 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=j9fIuuoG1Ul9cT42/XnKkh/HoATgiWWZmWaCMlybTCrn2o17+h+YWfvQ1i42jLlY; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4CE3D6EF.2050009@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:21:51 -0500 From: Stephen Clark Reply-To: sclark46@earthlink.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.12) Gecko/20100907 Fedora/3.0.7-1.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lennart Poettering CC: Pekka Enberg , Linus Torvalds , Dhaval Giani , Peter Zijlstra , Mike Galbraith , Vivek Goyal , Oleg Nesterov , Markus Trippelsdorf , Mathieu Desnoyers , Ingo Molnar , LKML , Balbir Singh Subject: Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups References: <1289856350.14719.135.camel@maggy.simson.net> <20101116015648.GA11534@redhat.com> <1289916171.5169.117.camel@maggy.simson.net> <1289916683.2109.625.camel@laptop> <20101116170312.GA19327@tango.0pointer.de> <20101116181603.GC19327@tango.0pointer.de> <20101116203103.GD27235@tango.0pointer.de> In-Reply-To: <20101116203103.GD27235@tango.0pointer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: a437fbc6971e80f61aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797e199746df63fbf53d25af4fc18550d3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.83.66 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 11/16/2010 03:31 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 16.11.10 21:03, Pekka Enberg (penberg@kernel.org) wrote: > > >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Linus Torvalds >> wrote: >> >>> User-level configuration for something that should just work is >>> annoying. We can do better. >>> >> Completely agreed. Desktop users should not be required to fiddle with >> kernel knobs from userspace to fix interactivity problems. Having sane >> defaults applies to the kernel as much as it does to userspace. >> > Jeez. Don't mentione the desktop. On the desktop this is compleltely > irrelevant. There are not TTYs on the desktop. There's no "make -j" of > the kernel tree on the desktop. > > The kernel patch discussed here *has* *no* *relevance* for normal users. > > The kernel patch discussed here is only relevant for people which start > mplayer from one terminal, and "make -j" from another. > > Lennart > > Really, who uses Linux that is not a geek? -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." (Thomas Jefferson)