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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>,
	x86@kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@suse.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] x86: Disable running 32bit processes if ia32_disabled is passed
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 16:32:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4b1833cc-a68a-78ce-7e3a-3f9eb17e367f@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4217f682-f0e3-28de-1fb9-634c5df3581a@suse.cz>

On 08/06/2023 7:16 am, Jiri Slaby wrote:
> On 08. 06. 23, 2:25, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> I really wish that we could disable syscall32 reliably on AMD and make
>> it raise #UD as it does on Intal.
>
> Sorry, I am likely missing something, but why is not #GP enough when
> we set CSTAR = 0?

Yeah, don't be setting CSTAR to 0.

If you set CSTAR to 0, and userspace has mapped something at 0, then the
CPU will start executing from 0 in kernel mode.

If you've got SMEP active, this doesn't help.  Instead of executing from
0, you'll take #PF.  Except you were already in kernel mode and #PF
isn't an IST vector, so you'll then start executing the #PF handler on
the same stack as before... which is the user stack, and it can still
hijack execution by hooking a return address.

If you've got (just) SMAP active, then this doesn't help.  The hijacked
execution doesn't need to touch the stack to execute STAC and re-permit
user data accesses.

If you've got SMEP, SMAP, *and* FMASK configured to clear AC
automatically on syscall, then you end up in #DF from a SMEP violation
trying to fetch the code, and a SMAP violation while trying to push the
SMEP violation's #PF IRET frame.


It's almost as if not switching the stack was a terrible terrible idea...

~Andrew

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-08 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-07  7:29 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Add ability to disable ia32 at boot time Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-07  7:29 ` [PATCH 1/3] x86: Introduce ia32_disabled boot parameter Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-07  8:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-07  7:29 ` [PATCH 2/3] x86/entry: Disable IA32 syscalls in the presence of ia32_disabled Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-07  9:11   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-08  3:18     ` Brian Gerst
2023-06-07  7:29 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: Disable running 32bit processes if ia32_disabled is passed Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-07 12:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-07 12:19     ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-07 12:53       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-07 13:38         ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-07 14:49           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-07 17:25             ` Andrew Cooper
2023-06-07 21:52               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-07 23:43                 ` Andrew Cooper
2023-06-08  0:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-08  6:16                     ` Jiri Slaby
2023-06-08  6:36                       ` Jiri Slaby
2023-06-08 15:30                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-08 15:32                       ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2023-06-08  6:29                     ` Jiri Slaby
2023-06-08 11:25                     ` Andrew Cooper
2023-06-08 15:56                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-08 21:29                       ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-06-07 12:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-06-08  4:37   ` Brian Gerst

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