From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ECAECDE46 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0861B20868 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=redchan.it header.i=@redchan.it header.b="B78iwaOJ" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 0861B20868 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=redchan.it Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727614AbeJ0CKz (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:10:55 -0400 Received: from cock.li ([185.100.85.212]:38108 "EHLO cock.li" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726179AbeJ0CKy (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:10:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1540575179; bh=zo8bTgjEhZMaRe9lTXMEpYS5MSrZVqFsM5id+dHfnHk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=B78iwaOJaHqJU0MvF8TVZdEES8lNtsbLIvoZ2WlWNRZ2ZdUw1qHKcImWazA6xzPrS 9F/vpXA6ATiyKyqbvagv0WulDn/SCzTLhSrPUr3W7u6DyCxA2O5BN2QLVUYHZfPjLf dFPqx8hbBHeLL59rmD5q2KS+DhY/cwYzJAkxJcD+85rGBOKGni+6csIx+5H73tnu+0 YZiTEuqBy+izXsce8AhBND4g2qqipZXhc5ckTiJQlY+FDh45T51A8uF5ffaYeC6/oL yVJ1EHP5CivPOsMoxjurip0I7lZAbxtNE+ORrbLkT+i4iOTYLx23aCjxKJYRm4v/7Y TR/l2AcO+5i4w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:32:58 +0000 From: visionsofalice@redchan.it To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, Eben Moglen , rms@gnu.org, bruce@perens.com, bkuhn@sfconservancy.org, editor@lwn.net, neil@brown.name, labbott@redhat.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de, olof@lixom.net, clm@fb.com, mishi@linux.com, linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant. In-Reply-To: <849-Fri26Oct2018091533-0400-eben@harlan.sflc-vpn> References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <185b786a2bd6e8d527dca161dc42e4f1@redchan.it> <20181025081911.GB11343@kroah.com> <20181025193901.GD26403@thyrsus.com> <849-Fri26Oct2018091533-0400-eben@harlan.sflc-vpn> Message-ID: <4c023302875de71cc58007301b180940@redchan.it> X-Sender: visionsofalice@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 2018-10-26 13:15, Eben Moglen wrote: > They can do neither. There is no "doctrine established in Jacobsen." > The license terms of the GPLv2, GPLv3, and all related licenses > provide a mode of termination---for imposition of additional > restrictions or violation of other terms. This termination provision, > being explicit, is therefore the sole form of termination recognized > under the terms of the Copyright Act. Incorrect. This rule is only valid for bargained-for copyright licenses supported by consideration. The GPLv2 is not such a situation for most licensees. You are conflating case law dealing with commercial software and non-gratuitous licenses with the present situation, which would likely be a case of first-impression in nearly any jurisdiction. The rule for gratuitous licenses is that they are revocable at the will of the grantor. Raymond Nimmer (God rest his soul) was in agreement on this point, vis-a-vis the GPL and similar licenses.