From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F327C2B9F4 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355B06194B for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229938AbhFYVyl (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jun 2021 17:54:41 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:43048 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229531AbhFYVyi (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jun 2021 17:54:38 -0400 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [IPv6:2607:fcd0:100:8a00::2]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 288B1C061574 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B3F1280628; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1624657935; bh=iSPvQ9PAdf4qiRHNLyPjzuZP7EMRERPpy7Em/wYsrIA=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=c4DdtP2GL+4SaGffgxiOO9WZMa53QJaSbZBeGHvOM8pH4fiXsfJ9JM/aO/7M8rJcZ 2+LeJAgI6kJo9USlmjTyctw3M8mn8C5f+I629Hc2xihBqERLzBi9XS2jQF2y+nLEVZ s/S3yVWARBeyyuID/uOpispHWAbC3OmFKLBT9I8s= Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pvschF1YvNIG; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jarvis.int.hansenpartnership.com (unknown [IPv6:2601:600:8280:66d1::527]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 731731280627; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1624657935; bh=iSPvQ9PAdf4qiRHNLyPjzuZP7EMRERPpy7Em/wYsrIA=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=c4DdtP2GL+4SaGffgxiOO9WZMa53QJaSbZBeGHvOM8pH4fiXsfJ9JM/aO/7M8rJcZ 2+LeJAgI6kJo9USlmjTyctw3M8mn8C5f+I629Hc2xihBqERLzBi9XS2jQF2y+nLEVZ s/S3yVWARBeyyuID/uOpispHWAbC3OmFKLBT9I8s= Message-ID: <4d515a65c6ce9ef182cab4f2dff08979d58cf7e6.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: linux-mm@kvack.org - limping on a backup From: James Bottomley To: Benjamin LaHaise Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:52:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20210625192607.GH4058@kvack.org> References: <20210622145954.GA4058@kvack.org> <214c41fae1f1b148e5b04a58c1b018fb091d7e83.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20210625171259.GG4058@kvack.org> <6f309c63f5b7be968ae679e81ab959db05681e8a.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20210625192607.GH4058@kvack.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2021-06-25 at 15:26 -0400, Benjamin LaHaise wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 12:21:24PM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-06-25 at 13:12 -0400, Benjamin LaHaise wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 10:00:15AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > > > Perhaps it's time to move this list over to vger or the > > > > linux.dev infrastructure now that it's being brought up? We > > > > already migrated the containers list without too much pain. > > > > > > Maybe the btrfs bugs should get fixed. > > > > I believe we can do both. > > If I were unresponsive at fixing issues, I would understand the need > to migrate services, but steps to address the failures have already > been taken and additional mitigations are planned. If we migrated > services every time a piece of hardware failed or we hit a kernel > bug, then we wouldn't have any infrastructure left. It's not about response time, it's about the fact that we finally got kerne.org funded via the LF to pay for someone to run our mailing list infrastructure so we no longer have to do it ourselves. We've already transferred the containers mailman list and vger is going to be migrated to it soon. The new infrastructure comes with HA and a whole host of backend CDN data centres in various geographies and public inbox backing, so it should be quite slick. James