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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
Cc: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] SCHED_SOFTRR starve-free linux scheduling policy  ...
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:41:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030810080748.019cb090@pop.gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200308100141.13074.phillips@arcor.de>

At 01:41 AM 8/10/2003 +0100, Daniel Phillips wrote:
>On Saturday 09 August 2003 18:47, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > > But the patch has a much bigger problem: there is no way a SOFTRR 
> task can
> > > be realtime as long as higher priority non-realtime tasks can preempt it.
> > > The new dynamic priority adjustment makes it certain that we will
> > > regularly see normal tasks with priority elevated above so-called
> > > realtime tasks.  Even without dynamic priority adjustment, any higher
> > > priority system task can unwttingly make a mockery of realtime schedules.
> >
> > Not so.
>
>Yes so.  A SCHED_NORMAL task with priority n can execute even when a
>SCHED_FIFO/RR/SOFTRR task of priority n-1 is ready.  In the case of FIFO and
>RR we don't care because they're already unusable by normal users but in the
>case of SOFTRR it defeats the intended realtime gaurantee.

No, _not_ so.  How is the SCHED_NORMAL (didn't that used to be called 
SCHED_OTHER?) task ever going to receive the cpu when a realtime task is 
runnable given that 1. task selection is done via sched_find_first_bit(), 
and 2. realtime queues reside at the top of the array?

> > Dynamic priority adjustment will not put a SCHED_OTHER task above
> > SCHED_RR, SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_SOFTRR, so they won't preempt.
>
>Are you sure?  I suppose that depends on the particular flavor of dynamic
>priority adjustment.  The last I saw, dynamic priority can adjust the task
>priority by 5 up or down.  If I'm wrong, please show me why and hopefully
>point at specific code.

See the definition of rt_task() in sched.c, and the comments in sched.h 
beginning at line 266.

         -Mike 


  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-10  6:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307131442470.15022@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.c om>
2003-07-14  7:11 ` [patch] SCHED_SOFTRR starve-free linux scheduling policy Mike Galbraith
2003-07-13 21:51   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-08-09 14:05     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-08-09 17:47       ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-09 23:58         ` Daniel Phillips
2003-08-10  6:06           ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-10  0:41         ` Daniel Phillips
2003-08-10  6:41           ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2003-08-10 15:46             ` Daniel Phillips
2003-08-10 17:49               ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-10 20:28                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-08-11  5:31                   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-11 13:54                   ` Takashi Iwai
2003-08-10  2:05         ` Roger Larsson
2003-08-10  5:43           ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-10  7:41             ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-10  7:56               ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-10  8:18                 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-10  9:19                   ` jw schultz
2003-08-11 17:01             ` Roger Larsson
2003-08-11 17:25               ` Takashi Iwai
     [not found]     ` <200308100405.52858.roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com >
2003-08-10  7:11       ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  7:23         ` Rob Landley
2003-08-12 23:35         ` Pavel Machek
2003-08-13  6:26           ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-13  9:41             ` Pavel Machek
2003-07-14  7:12   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  7:24   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14  7:35     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14  9:11     ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307140004390.3435@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-14  8:14     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-14 15:09       ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307140805220.4371@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-14 16:06     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-14 17:22       ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307141015010.4828@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.co m>
2003-07-15  4:56     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-07-15 15:47       ` Davide Libenzi

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