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From: Thomas Hellstrom <thomas@shipmail.org>
To: Lucas Stach <dev@lynxeye.de>
Cc: "Terje Bergström" <tbergstrom@nvidia.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org" <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Arto Merilainen" <amerilainen@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 8/8] drm: tegra: Add gr2d device
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:53:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50B679E1.5070205@shipmail.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1354109602.1479.66.camel@tellur>

On 11/28/2012 02:33 PM, Lucas Stach wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 28.11.2012, 15:17 +0200 schrieb Terje Bergström:
>> On 28.11.2012 01:00, Dave Airlie wrote:
>>> We  generally aim for the first, to stop the gpu from reading/writing
>>> any memory it hasn't been granted access to,
>>> the second is nice to have though, but really requires a GPU with VM
>>> to implement properly.
>> I wonder if we should aim at root only access on Tegra20, and force
>> IOMMU on Tegra30 and fix the remaining issues we have with IOMMU. The
>> firewall turns out to be more complicated than I wished.
>>
>> Biggest problem is that we aim at zero-copy for everything possible,
>> including command streams. Kernel gets a handle to a command stream, but
>> the command stream is allocated by the user space process. So the user
>> space can tamper with the stream once it's been written to the host1x 2D
>> channel.
>>
> So this is obviously wrong. Userspace has to allocate a pushbuffer from
> the kernel just as every other buffer, then map it into it's own address
> space to push in commands. At submit time of the pushbuf kernel has to
> make sure that userspace is not able to access the memory any more, i.e.
> kernel shoots down the vma or pagetable of the vma.

To me this sounds very expensive. Zapping the page table requires a CPU 
TLB flush
on all cores that have touched the buffer, not to mention the kernel calls
required to set up the page table once the buffer is reused.

If this usage scheme then is combined with a command verifier or 
"firewall" that
reads from a *write-combined* pushbuffer performance will be bad. Really 
bad.

In such situations I think one should consider copy-from-user while 
validating, and
let user-space set up the command buffer in malloced memory.

/Thomas




  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-28 21:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-26 13:19 [RFC v2 0/8] Support for Tegra 2D hardware Terje Bergstrom
2012-11-26 13:19 ` [RFC v2 1/8] video: tegra: Add nvhost driver Terje Bergstrom
2012-11-27 10:52   ` Sivaram Nair
2012-11-28 21:23   ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-29 10:21     ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-29 11:47       ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-29 18:38         ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-30  6:52           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-30  8:50           ` Lucas Stach
2012-12-01 11:44             ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-01 15:10               ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-01 16:55                 ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-01 17:34                   ` Lucas Stach
2012-12-01 19:29                     ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-01 21:42                       ` Dave Airlie
2012-12-01 22:39                         ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-02 11:24                         ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-02 20:55                           ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-03  6:26                             ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-30  8:56         ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-30 10:38           ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-01 11:31             ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-01 13:42               ` Daniel Vetter
2012-12-01 16:22                 ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-01 14:58               ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-01 17:13                 ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-03 19:23                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-04 21:31                   ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-03 19:20             ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-03 21:03               ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-04  2:08                 ` Mark Zhang
2012-12-04  2:11                 ` Mark Zhang
2012-12-04  6:17                 ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-29 18:34       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-30  6:54         ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-30  6:53           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-29  9:10   ` [RFC,v2,1/8] " Mark Zhang
2012-12-10 10:28     ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-26 13:19 ` [RFC v2 2/8] video: tegra: Add syncpoint wait and interrupts Terje Bergstrom
2012-11-27 11:02   ` Sivaram Nair
2012-11-29  8:44   ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-29 10:39     ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-30  7:22       ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-30  7:41         ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-29 18:41     ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-30  7:23       ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-26 13:19 ` [RFC v2 3/8] video: tegra: host: Add channel and client support Terje Bergstrom
2012-11-29 10:01   ` [RFC,v2,3/8] " Mark Zhang
2012-11-29 10:46     ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-30  6:13       ` Mark Zhang
2012-11-29 10:04   ` [RFC v2 3/8] " Thierry Reding
2012-11-29 11:00     ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-30  7:46       ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-26 13:19 ` [RFC v2 4/8] video: tegra: Add debug support Terje Bergstrom
2012-11-26 13:19 ` [RFC v2 5/8] ARM: tegra: Add auxiliary data for nvhost Terje Bergstrom
2012-11-26 23:39   ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-27  6:33     ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-27 17:17       ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-26 13:19 ` [RFC v2 6/8] gpu: drm: tegra: Remove redundant host1x Terje Bergstrom
2012-12-05  8:33   ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-05 10:10     ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-05 11:13       ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-05 11:47         ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-05 12:02           ` Lucas Stach
2012-12-05 12:03           ` Daniel Vetter
2012-12-05 12:08             ` Daniel Vetter
2012-12-05 12:22             ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-05 12:31               ` Daniel Vetter
2012-12-05 13:28                 ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-05 16:34                   ` Daniel Vetter
2012-12-05 20:44                     ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-05 12:04           ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-05 15:43             ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-10 11:42             ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-12 16:08               ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-12 16:56                 ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-13  8:48                 ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-13  8:57                   ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-13 17:58                     ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-13 20:32                       ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-14  6:09                       ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-14 16:21                         ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-14 19:59                           ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-16 12:16                             ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-16 16:37                               ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-17 20:55                                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-18  6:37                                   ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-20  9:17                               ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-20 17:14                                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-20 17:46                                   ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-20 17:55                                     ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-20 18:01                                       ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-20 20:30                                         ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-20 21:34                                           ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-20 21:50                                             ` Thierry Reding
2012-12-20 22:29                                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-20 22:28                                             ` Stephen Warren
2012-12-21  6:31                                               ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-21  8:57                                   ` Arto Merilainen
2012-12-21 21:19                                     ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-02  5:41                                       ` Terje Bergström
2013-01-04 10:09                                       ` Terje Bergström
2013-01-04 20:25                                         ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-07  8:20                                           ` Terje Bergström
2013-01-07 17:07                                             ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-15 11:30                                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-01-15 11:41                                             ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-26 13:19 ` [RFC v2 7/8] gpu: drm: tegra: Prime support Terje Bergstrom
2012-11-26 13:19 ` [RFC v2 8/8] drm: tegra: Add gr2d device Terje Bergstrom
2012-11-26 21:59   ` Rob Clark
2012-11-26 22:15   ` Dave Airlie
2012-11-27  6:52     ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-27  7:33       ` Dave Airlie
2012-11-27  8:16         ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-27  8:32           ` Dave Airlie
2012-11-27  8:45             ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-27 10:22               ` Lucas Stach
2012-11-27 10:37                 ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-27 11:31                   ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-27 11:47                     ` Lucas Stach
2012-11-27 12:59                       ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-27 23:00                     ` Dave Airlie
2012-11-28 13:17                       ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-28 13:33                         ` Lucas Stach
2012-11-28 13:57                           ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-28 14:06                             ` Lucas Stach
2012-11-28 14:45                               ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-28 15:13                                 ` Lucas Stach
2012-11-28 16:23                                   ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-28 18:46                                     ` Lucas Stach
2012-11-29  8:17                                       ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-29  9:09                                         ` Lucas Stach
2012-11-29 12:14                                           ` Thierry Reding
2012-11-30  7:44                                             ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-30  7:53                                               ` Lucas Stach
2012-11-29 13:36                                           ` Terje Bergström
2012-11-28 16:24                                 ` Stephen Warren
2012-11-28 20:53                           ` Thomas Hellstrom [this message]
2012-12-03  9:30     ` Mark Zhang
2012-12-03  9:40       ` Daniel Vetter
2012-12-04  1:49         ` Mark Zhang
2012-11-29  7:37   ` [RFC,v2,8/8] " Mark Zhang
2012-12-01 14:45 ` [RFC v2 0/8] Support for Tegra 2D hardware Thierry Reding
2012-12-01 17:08   ` Terje Bergström
2012-12-01 19:29     ` Thierry Reding

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