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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan 
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Kirill Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan <knsathya@kernel.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Raj Ashok <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v1 05/26] x86/traps: Add #VE support for TDX guest
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:46:37 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <514734d9-d8be-03ee-417e-4d0ad2f56276@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YCbm/umiGUS7UuVb@google.com>

On 2/12/21 12:37 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> There needs to be a mechanism for lazy/deferred/on-demand acceptance of pages.
> E.g. pre-accepting every page in a VM with hundreds of GB of memory will be
> ridiculously slow.
> 
> #VE is the best option to do that:
> 
>   - Relatively sane re-entrancy semantics.
>   - Hardware accelerated.
>   - Doesn't require stealing an IRQ from the guest.

TDX already provides a basic environment for the guest when it starts
up.  The guest has some known, good memory.  The guest also has a very,
very clear understanding of which physical pages it uses and when.  It's
staged, of course, as decompression happens and the guest comes up.

But, the guest still knows which guest physical pages it accesses and
when.  It doesn't need on-demand faulting in of non-accepted pages.  It
can simply decline to expose non-accepted pages to the wider system
before they've been accepted.

It would be nuts to merrily free non-accepted pages into the page
allocator and handle the #VE fallout as they're touched from
god-knows-where.

I don't see *ANY* case for #VE to occur inside the guest kernel, outside
of *VERY* narrow places like copy_from_user().  Period.  #VE from ring-0
is not OK.

So, no, #VE is not the best option.  No #VE's in the first place is the
best option.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-12 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-06  3:02 Test Email sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 00/26] Add TDX Guest Support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 01/26] x86/paravirt: Introduce CONFIG_PARAVIRT_XL Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 02/26] x86/cpufeatures: Add TDX Guest CPU feature Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 03/26] x86/cpufeatures: Add is_tdx_guest() interface Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-01 21:08   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-01 21:15     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-01 21:19       ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-01 22:25         ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 04/26] x86/tdx: Get TD execution environment information via TDINFO Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-08 10:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-02-08 19:10     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 05/26] x86/traps: Add #VE support for TDX guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-08 10:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-02-08 16:23     ` Andi Kleen
2021-02-08 16:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-02-08 16:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-02-08 16:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-02-08 19:05             ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-08 16:46         ` Andi Kleen
2021-02-12 19:20   ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-12 19:47   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-02-12 20:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-02-12 20:17       ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-12 20:37         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-02-12 20:46           ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2021-02-12 20:54             ` Sean Christopherson
2021-02-12 21:06               ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-12 21:37                 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-02-12 21:47                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-02-12 21:48                     ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-14 19:33                       ` Andi Kleen
2021-02-14 19:54                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-02-12 20:20       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-02-12 20:44         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 06/26] x86/tdx: Add HLT " Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 07/26] x86/tdx: Wire up KVM hypercalls Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 08/26] x86/tdx: Add MSR support for TDX guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 09/26] x86/tdx: Handle CPUID via #VE Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:42   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-02-07 14:13     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-02-07 16:01       ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-07 20:29         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-02-07 22:31           ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-07 22:45             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-02-08 17:10               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-02-08 17:35                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-02-08 17:47                   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-18 21:30               ` [PATCH v1 1/1] x86/tdx: Add tdcall() and tdvmcall() helper functions Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-19 16:55                 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19 17:42                   ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-19 18:22                     ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-19 19:58                       ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-26 23:38                         ` [PATCH v2 1/1] x86/tdx: Add __tdcall() and __tdvmcall() " Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-20 17:36                           ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-20 19:20                             ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-20 19:59                               ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-20 23:12                                 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-20 23:42                                   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-23  1:09                                     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-23  1:21                                       ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-23  1:35                                         ` Andi Kleen
2021-04-23 15:15                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-23 15:28                                             ` Dan Williams
2021-04-23 15:38                                               ` Andi Kleen
2021-04-23 15:50                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-23 15:47                                             ` Andi Kleen
2021-04-23 18:18                                             ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-20 23:53                                   ` Dan Williams
2021-04-20 23:59                                     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 10/26] x86/io: Allow to override inX() and outX() implementation Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 11/26] x86/tdx: Handle port I/O Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 12/26] x86/tdx: Handle in-kernel MMIO Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-01 19:56   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-01 22:26     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-01 22:53       ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 13/26] x86/tdx: Handle MWAIT, MONITOR and WBINVD Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:43   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-02-05 23:54     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-06  1:05       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-27  0:18         ` [PATCH v1 1/1] " Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-27  2:40           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-27  3:40             ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-27 16:03               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-27 22:54                 ` [PATCH v2 " Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-29 17:14                   ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-29 21:55                     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-29 22:02                       ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-29 22:09                         ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-29 22:12                           ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-29 22:42                             ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-29 23:16                             ` [PATCH v3 " Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-29 23:23                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-29 23:37                                 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-29 23:42                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-29 23:58                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-30  2:04                                       ` Andi Kleen
2021-03-30  2:58                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-30 15:14                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-30 16:37                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-03-30 16:57                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-07 15:24                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2021-03-31 21:09                                           ` [PATCH v4 " Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-31 21:49                                             ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-31 22:29                                               ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-31 21:53                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-31 22:00                                               ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-31 22:06                                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-31 22:11                                                   ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-31 22:28                                                     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-31 22:32                                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-31 22:34                                                       ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-01  3:28                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2021-04-01  3:46                                                           ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-01  4:24                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2021-04-01  4:51                                                               ` [PATCH v5 " Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-03-29 23:39                                 ` [PATCH v3 " Sean Christopherson
2021-03-29 23:38                               ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-30  4:56           ` [PATCH v1 " Xiaoyao Li
2021-03-30 15:00             ` Andi Kleen
2021-03-30 15:10               ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-30 17:02                 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 14/26] ACPI: tables: Add multiprocessor wake-up support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 15/26] x86/boot: Add a trampoline for APs booting in 64-bit mode Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 16/26] x86/boot: Avoid #VE during compressed boot for TDX platforms Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 17/26] x86/boot: Avoid unnecessary #VE during boot process Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 18/26] x86/topology: Disable CPU hotplug support for TDX platforms Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 19/26] x86/tdx: Forcefully disable legacy PIC for TDX guests Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 20/26] x86/tdx: Introduce INTEL_TDX_GUEST config option Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 21/26] x86/mm: Move force_dma_unencrypted() to common code Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-01 20:06   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-06 15:37     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-06 16:11       ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-06 16:37         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 22/26] x86/tdx: Exclude Shared bit from __PHYSICAL_MASK Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-01 20:13   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-06 15:54     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-06 16:12       ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 23/26] x86/tdx: Make pages shared in ioremap() Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-01 20:26   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-06 16:00     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-06 16:14       ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 24/26] x86/tdx: Add helper to do MapGPA TDVMALL Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 25/26] x86/tdx: Make DMA pages shared Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-01 21:01   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-06 16:31     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-06 16:38       ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-06 17:16         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-02-05 23:38 ` [RFC v1 26/26] x86/kvm: Use bounce buffers for TD guest Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-01 21:17   ` Dave Hansen
2021-02-06  3:04 ` Test Email sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy
2021-02-06  6:24 ` [RFC v1 00/26] Add TDX Guest Support sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy
2021-03-31 21:38 ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2021-04-02  0:02 ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-02  2:48   ` Andi Kleen
2021-04-02 15:27     ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-02 21:32       ` Andi Kleen
2021-04-03 16:26         ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-03 17:28           ` Andi Kleen
2021-04-04 15:02 ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-12 17:24   ` Dan Williams

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