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From: Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	<akpm@linux-foundation.org>, <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	<ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: When to push bug fixes to mainline
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:25:51 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51DF773F.8010506@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130712005023.GB31005@thunk.org>

On 2013/7/12 8:50, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:01:17PM -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
>> <rant>
>>   I'm sitting on top of over 170 more patches that have been marked for
>>   the stable releases right now that are not included in this set of
>>   releases.  The fact that there are this many patches for stable stuff
>>   that are waiting to be merged through the main -rc1 merge window cycle
>>   is worrying to me.
>>
>>   Why are subsystem maintainers holding on to fixes that are
>>   _supposedly_ affecting all users?  I mean, 21 powerpc core changes
>>   that I don't see until a -rc1 merge?  It's as if developers don't
>>   expect people to use a .0 release and are relying on me to get the
>>   fixes they have burried in their trees out to users.  That's not that
>>   nice.  6 "core" iscsi-target fixes?  That's the sign of either a
>>   broken subsystem maintainer, or a lack of understanding what the
>>   normal -rc kernel releases are supposed to be for.
> 
> At least at one point in the past, the rule that Linus had laid down
> after discussing things at Kernel Summits was after -rc2, or maybe
> -rc3 at the latest, the ***only*** fixes that should be sent to Linus
> would be for regression fixes or for really serious data integrity
> issues.  The concern was that people were pushing bug fixes in -rc5 or
> -rc6 that were in some cases causing regressions.
> 
> (As I recall, Linus laid down the law regarding this policy in his own
> inimitable and colorful style; which today would result in all sorts
> of tsk, tsking on Hacker News regarding his language.  :-)
> 
> In any case, I've been very conservative in _not_ pushing bug fixes to
> Linus after -rc3 (unless they are fixing a regression or the bug fix
> is super-serious); I'd much rather have them cook in the ext4 tree
> where they can get a lot more testing (a full regression test run for
> ext4 takes over 24 hours), and for people trying out linux-next.
> 
> Maybe the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of holding back
> changes and trying to avoid the risk of introducing regressions;
> perhaps this would be a good topic to discuss at the Kernel Summit.
> 

Looks like each maintainer may have his rule which may differ from the
rule laid down by Linus.

I have 2 network patches which went into 3.10-rc6, though these two bugs
are not regressions but has been there even before the git history.

On the other hand, 2 of my cgroup bug fixes were queued for 3.11 with
stable tag added.

And what about Documentation fixes and updates? Should those patches
also follow Linus' rule? I guess people have different opinions.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-12  3:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-11 22:01 [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 01/19] libceph: Fix NULL pointer dereference in auth client code Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 02/19] ceph: fix sleeping function called from invalid context Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 03/19] libceph: fix invalid unsigned->signed conversion for timespec encoding Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 04/19] drivers/cdrom/cdrom.c: use kzalloc() for failing hardware Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 05/19] module: do percpu allocation after uniqueness check. No, really! Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 06/19] charger-manager: Ensure event is not used as format string Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 07/19] hpfs: better test for errors Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 08/19] block: do not pass disk names as format strings Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 09/19] crypto: sanitize argument for format string Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 10/19] MAINTAINERS: add stable_kernel_rules.txt to stable maintainer information Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 11/19] futex: Take hugepages into account when generating futex_key Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 12/19] tty: Reset itty for other pty Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 13/19] Revert "serial: 8250_pci: add support for another kind of NetMos Technology PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller" Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 14/19] NFSv4.1 end back channel session draining Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 15/19] nfsd4: fix decoding of compounds across page boundaries Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 16/19] KVM: VMX: mark unusable segment as nonpresent Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 17/19] SCSI: sd: Fix parsing of temporary cache mode prefix Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 18/19] cpufreq: Fix cpufreq regression after suspend/resume Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:01 ` [ 19/19] Revert "memcg: avoid dangling reference count in creation failure" Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:14 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Josh Boyer
2013-07-14 22:54   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-11 22:29 ` Dave Jones
2013-07-11 22:44   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12  1:51     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 14:15     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 15:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 15:47         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 15:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 16:17             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-12 16:35               ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12 16:36                 ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12 17:05                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 22:40                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-12 16:48             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 17:31         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 17:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 18:11             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 19:35               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 19:49                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 19:55                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-12 20:19                   ` Dave Jones
2013-07-12 20:28                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 20:31                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 21:19                       ` Justin M. Forbes
2013-07-13  0:47                       ` Jochen Striepe
2013-07-13 11:11                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-13 15:10                           ` Dave Jones
2013-07-13 15:54                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 19:50             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-12 20:47               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 21:02                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-13  6:22               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  6:36                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-13  6:48                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  7:12                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15  4:12                       ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15  4:43                         ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-13 11:42                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-13 18:27                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14  2:22                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-14  3:51                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14  5:24                             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-14 20:31                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-13  6:43                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-13  6:58                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 23:52             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-15  1:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15  2:08                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-14 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-12  0:50 ` When to push bug fixes to mainline Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12  1:20   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Nicholas A. Bellinger
2013-07-12  1:54   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12  9:46     ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-12 11:19       ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12  2:57   ` John W. Linville
2013-07-12  3:34     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12  7:32       ` James Bottomley
2013-07-12 17:20       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 17:28         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12 17:50           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 17:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 18:14               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-13 17:52                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-12 17:57           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 18:13             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 18:16             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 18:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 19:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 19:53                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 20:09                     ` Shuah Khan
2013-07-12 20:33                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12 20:46                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 22:19                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 22:17                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-13  6:44                   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-13  0:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-13  1:32         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13 12:16           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-12  3:25   ` Li Zefan [this message]
2013-07-15  4:22     ` Rob Landley
2013-07-12  5:14   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16  7:19     ` David Lang
2013-07-16 16:40       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Takashi Iwai
2013-07-16 16:42         ` David Lang
2013-07-16 19:29           ` Takashi Iwai
2013-07-16 16:59         ` Mark Brown
2013-07-16 17:58           ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-16 18:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-16 18:41               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 19:11                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-16 19:43                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 20:10                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17  2:58                       ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  9:43                       ` Li Zefan
2013-07-16 18:48               ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-19 10:13               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 18:39         ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 18:40       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 20:29         ` David Lang
2013-07-12 17:11   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-12 17:20 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Shuah Khan
2013-07-12 17:29   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  4:14 ` Satoru Takeuchi
2013-07-14 23:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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