From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466E0C48BE8 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2164C611ED for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234672AbhFROs1 (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2021 10:48:27 -0400 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([96.44.175.130]:43958 "EHLO bedivere.hansenpartnership.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S234485AbhFROsX (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2021 10:48:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E121280BE2; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1624027573; bh=8lZLhC83dxdbzCPTrmk3yVz/aOeowBFTM8uBBZZeyHw=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Hu3irpm/UI+uk2OA4w6nSBSb65wR6kwHGT4a/3F7BVOHhrfE0pOjfFf5ztPDYVc4/ WttNK97pPpKuX+/N9XU4HNxpNY2xbS6xncEaoOuVLNeJ2g/pGcP6ash9nuFVSyjCUA OYBu3QVpXymxM9f2NJuy4Aq+8QdopDLf4oYW8kS4= Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qfnb-6KM_OUl; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jarvis.int.hansenpartnership.com (unknown [IPv6:2601:600:8280:66d1::c447]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F21621280A13; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:46:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1624027573; bh=8lZLhC83dxdbzCPTrmk3yVz/aOeowBFTM8uBBZZeyHw=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Hu3irpm/UI+uk2OA4w6nSBSb65wR6kwHGT4a/3F7BVOHhrfE0pOjfFf5ztPDYVc4/ WttNK97pPpKuX+/N9XU4HNxpNY2xbS6xncEaoOuVLNeJ2g/pGcP6ash9nuFVSyjCUA OYBu3QVpXymxM9f2NJuy4Aq+8QdopDLf4oYW8kS4= Message-ID: <528832c3110d6b9682c99c7122a66a090676edb1.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off From: James Bottomley To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Laurent Pinchart , Shuah Khan , Steven Rostedt , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" , David Hildenbrand , Greg KH , Christoph Lameter , Theodore Ts'o , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Linux FS Devel , Linux MM , netdev , Linux-Arch , Linux API Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:46:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <5038827c-463f-232d-4dec-da56c71089bd@metux.net> <20210610182318.jrxe3avfhkqq7xqn@nitro.local> <20210610152633.7e4a7304@oasis.local.home> <37e8d1a5-7c32-8e77-bb05-f851c87a1004@linuxfoundation.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 16:28 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 4:11 PM James Bottomley > wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 16:46 +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > For workshop or brainstorming types of sessions, the highest > > > barrier to participation for remote attendees is local attendees > > > not speaking in microphones. That's the number one rule that > > > moderators would need to enforce, I think all the rest depends on > > > it. This may require a larger number of microphones in the room > > > than usual. > > > > Plumbers has been pretty good at that. Even before remote > > participation, if people don't speak into the mic, it's not > > captured on the recording, so we've spent ages developing protocols > > for this. Mostly centred around having someone in the room to > > remind everyone to speak into the mic and easily throwable padded > > mic boxes. Ironically, this is the detail that meant we couldn't > > hold Plumbers in person under the current hotel protocols ... the > > mic needs sanitizing after each throw. > > What about letting people use the personal mic they're already > carrying, i.e. a phone? Well, you can already in our hybrid plan: BBB works on a phone as a web app, so you'd appear in the conference as a remote attendee even though you're sitting in the room. However, not everyone's phone will run the app, so we still need the throwable solution. The main problem with using this method is that you're going to have to mute the phone speaker output to prevent audio feedback, but I'm sure we'll only get that wrong a few times before people work it out ... James