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From: Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
	Sandeepa Prabhu <sandeepa.prabhu@linaro.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	fche@redhat.com, mingo@redhat.com, systemtap@sourceware.org,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -tip v9 25/26] kprobes: Introduce kprobe cache to reduce cache misshits
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 21:49:37 +0900
Message-ID: <535CFCE1.5000507@hitachi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140426071214.GA2374@gmail.com>

(2014/04/26 16:12), Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com> wrote:
> 
>> (2014/04/25 17:20), Ingo Molnar wrote:
>>>
>>> * Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So I don't think this should be a Kconfig entry, just enable it 
>>>>> unconditionally. That will further simplify the code.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, it consumes some amount of memory (36KB/core) just for the 
>>>> case of several thousand of kprobes. On enterprise servers and 
>>>> desktop it's OK, no problem. But I think, some embedded systems 
>>>> with small resources will not want that. [...]
>>>
>>> They'll just disable kprobes in general.
>>
>> No, I'd like to provide kprobes (and dynamic events) to them 
>> (including me) for debugging and dynamic monitoring, instead of 
>> modifying code for adding events on their kernel. To solve some 
>> specific issues, specific events (not generic events) are required. 
>> Making local patches to add such events is an option, but it 
>> increases maintenance cost for rebasing. It is better to pay cost to 
>> maintain this kconfig on upstream as the maintainer for me instead 
>> of paying such ugly local cost. :(
>>
>> Anyway, this option is not easy for beginners, I think it should be 
>> defined with "if EXPERT" option and make it enabled by default.
>>
>>> Really, at this point complexity is our main concern.
>>
>> Agreed about complexity issue. However, even if we remove the 
>> Kconfig, we can just save 6 lines of the code, and one #ifdef block. 
>> Can that really solve the complexity problem?
> 
> It's more about the mental picture about how kprobes works. The fewer 
> binary state flags, the better.

OK, how much the amount of code is changed is not a matter.

Hmm, at this point, I'll update it to remove the Kconfig. And also I'd like
to add a note that this makes kprobes bigger, since without kpcache kprobe
hash table is just 4KB, but with kpcache, it consumes 4KB + 36KB/core
(10 times bigger at single core.)
Of course, it is still enough small for many systems which have 256MB or
more DRAM.

And I'll give smaller systems (such as controller/sensor boards for IoT etc.)
an out-of-tree kconfig patch to disable kpcache if they need... That's better
than maintaining additional-event patches.

Thank you,

-- 
Masami HIRAMATSU
Software Platform Research Dept. Linux Technology Research Center
Hitachi, Ltd., Yokohama Research Laboratory
E-mail: masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com



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Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-17  8:16 [PATCH -tip v9 00/26] kprobes: introduce NOKPROBE_SYMBOL, bugfixes and scalbility efforts Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:16 ` [PATCH -tip v9 01/26] [BUGFIX]kprobes/x86: Fix page-fault handling logic Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  9:58   ` [tip:perf/urgent] kprobes/x86: " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:16 ` [PATCH -tip v9 02/26] kprobes/x86: Allow to handle reentered kprobe on singlestepping Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:57   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes/x86: Allow to handle reentered kprobe on single-stepping tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:16 ` [PATCH -tip v9 03/26] kprobes: Prohibit probing on .entry.text code Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:57   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:17 ` [PATCH -tip v9 04/26] kprobes: Introduce NOKPROBE_SYMBOL() macro for blacklist Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:58   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes: Introduce NOKPROBE_SYMBOL() macro to maintain kprobes blacklist tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-01  5:26     ` kprobes broken in linux-next (was Re: [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes: Introduce NOKPROBE_SYMBOL() macro to maintain kprobes blacklist) Vineet Gupta
2014-05-02  1:13       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07  4:56         ` Vineet Gupta
2014-05-07 19:18       ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes: Ensure blacklist data is aligned tip-bot for Vineet Gupta
2014-05-05 20:48     ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes: Introduce NOKPROBE_SYMBOL() macro to maintain kprobes blacklist Tony Luck
2014-05-06  9:25       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-06 10:03       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07 11:19         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07 11:55           ` [RFT PATCH -next ] [BUGFIX] kprobes: Fix "Failed to find blacklist" error on ia64 and ppc64 Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-07 11:59             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-14  8:19               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-08  4:47             ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2014-05-08  5:40               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-08  6:16                 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2014-05-09  8:06                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-26 11:25             ` Suzuki K. Poulose
2014-05-26 11:48               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-27  6:31               ` [RFT PATCH -next v2] " Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-29 19:13                 ` Suzuki K. Poulose
2014-05-30  2:47                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-05-30  3:18                     ` [RFT PATCH -next v3] " Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-06  6:38                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-17 23:03                         ` Tony Luck
2014-06-18  7:56                         ` Michael Ellerman
2014-06-18  8:46                           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-19  1:30                             ` Michael Ellerman
2014-06-19  4:52                               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-19  6:40                                 ` Suzuki K. Poulose
2014-06-19  7:26                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-19  9:45                                     ` Suzuki K. Poulose
2014-06-19 11:01                                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-19 11:20                                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-20  0:37                                           ` Michael Ellerman
2014-06-20  2:13                                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:17 ` [PATCH -tip v9 05/26] [BUGFIX] kprobes/x86: Prohibit probing on debug_stack_* Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:58   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, x86: Prohibit probing on debug_stack_*() tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:17 ` [PATCH -tip v9 06/26] [BUGFIX] x86: Prohibit probing on native_set_debugreg/load_idt Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:58   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, x86: Prohibit probing on native_set_debugreg()/load_idt() tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:17 ` [PATCH -tip v9 07/26] [BUGFIX] x86: Prohibit probing on thunk functions and restore Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:58   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:17 ` [PATCH -tip v9 08/26] kprobes/x86: Call exception handlers directly from do_int3/do_debug Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:59   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 11:26     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-17  8:17 ` [PATCH -tip v9 09/26] x86: Call exception_enter after kprobes handled Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:59   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-13 17:14     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-06-14  5:44       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-14  6:47         ` [PATCH -tip ] [Bugfix] x86/kprobes: Fix build errors and blacklist context_track_user Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-14  8:58           ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-06-16 15:52           ` [PATCH -tip ] [Bugfix] " Frederic Weisbecker
2014-04-17  8:17 ` [PATCH -tip v9 10/26] kprobes/x86: Allow probe on some kprobe preparation functions Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:59   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:17 ` [PATCH -tip v9 11/26] kprobes: Allow probe on some kprobe functions Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:59   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 12/26] ftrace/*probes: Allow probing on some functions Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 10:59   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, ftrace: " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 13/26] x86: Allow kprobes on text_poke/hw_breakpoint Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 11:00   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, x86: Allow kprobes on text_poke/ hw_breakpoint tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 11:26     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 14/26] x86: Use NOKPROBE_SYMBOL() instead of __kprobes annotation Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 11:00   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 15/26] kprobes: Use NOKPROBE_SYMBOL macro instead of __kprobes Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 11:00   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 16/26] ftrace/kprobes: Use NOKPROBE_SYMBOL macro in ftrace Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 11:00   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, ftrace: " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 17/26] notifier: Use NOKPROBE_SYMBOL macro in notifier Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17 14:40   ` Josh Triplett
2014-04-24 11:00   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 18/26] sched: Use NOKPROBE_SYMBOL macro in sched Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 11:01   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] kprobes, " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 19/26] kprobes: Show blacklist entries via debugfs Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24 11:01   ` [tip:perf/kprobes] " tip-bot for Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:18 ` [PATCH -tip v9 20/26] kprobes: Support blacklist functions in module Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24  8:56   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-24 11:24     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-25  8:19       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-25 10:12         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-25 10:55           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:19 ` [PATCH -tip v9 21/26] kprobes: Use NOKPROBE_SYMBOL() in sample modules Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:19 ` [PATCH -tip v9 22/26] kprobes/x86: Use kprobe_blacklist for .kprobes.text and .entry.text Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24  8:58   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-24 11:22     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:19 ` [PATCH -tip v9 23/26] kprobes/x86: Remove unneeded preempt_disable/enable in interrupt handlers Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:19 ` [PATCH -tip v9 24/26] kprobes: Enlarge hash table to 512 entries Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:19 ` [PATCH -tip v9 25/26] kprobes: Introduce kprobe cache to reduce cache misshits Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-24  9:01   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-24 11:38     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-25  8:20       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-25  9:43         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-26  7:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2014-04-27 12:49             ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2014-04-17  8:19 ` [PATCH -tip v9 26/26] ftrace: Introduce FTRACE_OPS_FL_SELF_FILTER for ftrace-kprobe Masami Hiramatsu
2014-04-17  8:37 ` [PATCH -tip v9 00/26] kprobes: introduce NOKPROBE_SYMBOL, bugfixes and scalbility efforts Ingo Molnar
2014-04-17  8:53   ` Masami Hiramatsu

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