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From: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] nohz: make nohz_full imply isolcpus
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 14:12:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55256F92.1010606@ezchip.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150408172746.GK5029@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 04/08/2015 01:27 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 11:21:56AM -0400, Chris Metcalf wrote:
>> Apparently the body of the commit message isn't as clear as it might be :-)
>>
>> It does say the same thing, though, basically that if nohz_full DOESN'T
>> imply isolcpus, that's a bad thing.  I'm happy to reword the text to avoid
>> the double negative and say:
>>
>>    nohz_full is only useful with isolcpus also set, since otherwise the
>>    scheduler has to run periodically to try to determine whether to steal
>>    work from other cores.
> But you're doing the reverse! You're setting nohz_full for isolcpus, not
> limiting the nohz_full mask to isolcpus.

Ah, I see.  Yes, that's right.  The idea is that if you are saying
"nohz_full=1-15" on the command line, you would like that to
imply "isolcpus=1-15" as well, without having to actually say so
explicitly.  If we instead limit nohz_full based on isolcpus, it's not
clear that it's actually worth making any change in this area.

I still maintain that the text has always correctly (if perhaps
confusingly) said what it is that the code was doing; where the
text says "x implies y", that means "x being set forces y to be set".
But I'm respinning it anyway for Frederic so I will avoid using the
word "imply" altogether to make this clearer.

The larger question is whether you agree with the proposed semantics.

-- 
Chris Metcalf, EZChip Semiconductor
http://www.ezchip.com


  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-08 18:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-03 16:24 [PATCH 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_set_cpus() API cmetcalf
2015-04-03 16:24 ` [PATCH 2/2] nohz: make nohz_full imply isolcpus cmetcalf
2015-04-03 17:42   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-03 19:20     ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-04 14:10       ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-04 17:09         ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-05  5:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-06 17:15             ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-06 18:16               ` [PATCH v2 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_clear_cpus() and _set_cpus() APIs cmetcalf
2015-04-06 18:16                 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] nohz: make nohz_full imply isolcpus cmetcalf
2015-04-07 22:29                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-08  9:41                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-08 14:04                     ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-08 14:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-08 15:21                         ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-08 17:24                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-08 19:20                             ` [PATCH v3 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_clear_cpus() and _set_cpus() APIs cmetcalf
2015-04-08 19:20                               ` [PATCH v3 2/2] nohz: set isolcpus when nohz_full is set cmetcalf
2015-04-08 17:27                           ` [PATCH v2 2/2] nohz: make nohz_full imply isolcpus Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-08 18:12                             ` Chris Metcalf [this message]
2015-04-09  8:29                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-09 12:02                                 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-09 12:45                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-09 16:59                                     ` [PATCH v5] nohz: set isolcpus when nohz_full is set Chris Metcalf
2015-04-09 17:12                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-10  1:05                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-10 15:33                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-10 15:57                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-09 17:00                                 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_cpumask_or() and _andnot() APIs Chris Metcalf
2015-04-09 17:00                                   ` [PATCH v4 2/2] nohz: set isolcpus when nohz_full is set Chris Metcalf
2015-04-09 17:07                                   ` [PATCH v4 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_cpumask_or() and _andnot() APIs Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-09 17:24                                     ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-09 17:42                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-09 18:01                                         ` [PATCH v6 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_add_cpus_to() and _remove_cpus_from() APIs Chris Metcalf
2015-04-09 18:01                                           ` [PATCH v6 2/2] nohz: set isolcpus when nohz_full is set Chris Metcalf
2015-04-10  1:37                                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-10 20:53                                               ` [PATCH v7 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_add_cpus_to() and _remove_cpus_from() APIs Chris Metcalf
2015-04-10 20:53                                                 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] nohz: set isolcpus when nohz_full is set Chris Metcalf
2015-04-14  0:37                                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-14 15:17                                                     ` [PATCH v8 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_add_cpus_to() API Chris Metcalf
2015-04-14 15:17                                                       ` [PATCH v8 2/2] nohz: set isolcpus when nohz_full is set Chris Metcalf
2015-04-14 15:26                                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-14 16:45                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-14  0:33                                                 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_add_cpus_to() and _remove_cpus_from() APIs Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-14  0:49                                                   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-14 15:34                                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-10  1:34                                           ` [PATCH v6 " Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-10 15:31                                             ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-06 18:29                 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] nohz: add tick_nohz_full_clear_cpus() and _set_cpus() APIs Frederic Weisbecker
2015-04-06 19:09                   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-07  9:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-03 18:08   ` [PATCH 2/2] nohz: make nohz_full imply isolcpus Mike Galbraith
2015-04-03 19:21     ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-04  2:03       ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-04  3:43         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-06 19:28           ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-07  3:10             ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06 16:04 [GIT PULL] nohz: A few improvements v4 Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-06 16:04 ` [PATCH 1/4] context_tracking: Protect against recursion Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07  9:58   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 11:53     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07 11:31   ` [tip:timers/nohz] " tip-bot for Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-06 16:04 ` [PATCH 2/4] context_tracking: Inherit TIF_NOHZ through forks instead of context switches Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07 11:31   ` [tip:timers/nohz] " tip-bot for Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-06 16:04 ` [PATCH 3/4] nohz: Add tick_nohz_full_add_cpus_to() API Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07 11:31   ` [tip:timers/nohz] " tip-bot for Chris Metcalf
2015-05-06 16:04 ` [PATCH 4/4] nohz: Set isolcpus when nohz_full is set Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07 11:32   ` [tip:timers/nohz] " tip-bot for Chris Metcalf
2015-05-16 19:39   ` [PATCH 4/4] " Sasha Levin
2015-05-17  5:30     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-18  2:17       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-18  3:29         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-18 14:07           ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-18 14:22             ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-18 14:52               ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-19  2:30                 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-06-12 19:12                   ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-20 20:38       ` Afzal Mohammed
2015-05-20 21:00         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-21 12:12           ` Afzal Mohammed
2015-05-21 12:57             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-21 13:06               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-21 13:27                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-21 13:29                 ` Afzal Mohammed
2015-05-21 14:14                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-21 14:46                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-21 18:59                 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-22 14:39                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-22 15:20                     ` Mike Galbraith

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