From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
williams@redhat.com, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
fweisbec@redhat.com, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry
Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 14:05:18 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5543C05E.9040209@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150501163431.GB1327@gmail.com>
On 05/01/2015 12:34 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>> I can understand people running hard-RT workloads not wanting to
>>> see the overhead of a timer tick or a scheduler tick with variable
>>> (and occasionally heavy) work done in IRQ context, but the jitter
>>> caused by a single trivial IPI with constant work should be very,
>>> very low and constant.
>>
>> Not if the realtime workload is running inside a KVM guest.
>
> I don't buy this:
>
>> At that point an IPI, either on the host or in the guest, involves a
>> full VMEXIT & VMENTER cycle.
>
> So a full VMEXIT/VMENTER costs how much, 2000 cycles? That's around 1
> usec on recent hardware, and I bet it will get better with time.
>
> I'm not aware of any hard-RT workload that cannot take 1 usec
> latencies.
Now think about doing this kind of IPI from inside a guest,
to another VCPU on the same guest.
Now you are looking at VMEXIT/VMENTER on the first VCPU,
plus the cost of the IPI on the host, plus the cost of
the emulation layer, plus VMEXIT/VMENTER on the second
VCPU to trigger the IPI work, and possibly a second
VMEXIT/VMENTER for IPI completion.
I suspect it would be better to do RCU callback offload
in some other way.
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-05-01 18:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-30 21:23 [PATCH 0/3] reduce nohz_full syscall overhead by 10% riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 1/3] reduce indentation in __acct_update_integrals riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 2/3] remove local_irq_save from __acct_update_integrals riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry riel
2015-04-30 21:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-01 6:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 15:20 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 15:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-01 16:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:26 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 18:05 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2015-05-01 18:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 19:11 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 19:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-02 5:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-02 18:27 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-03 18:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 10:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-04 9:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-04 13:30 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 14:06 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 14:19 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 15:59 ` question about RCU dynticks_nesting Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 19:39 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 20:13 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 20:53 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-05 5:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-06 1:49 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06 3:44 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06 6:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-06 6:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06 7:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-07 0:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07 15:44 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 19:00 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 19:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 19:59 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 10:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 12:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 18:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 21:09 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-06 5:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 10:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 10:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 12:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-02 4:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry Mike Galbraith
2015-05-01 16:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:40 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:54 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 17:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 17:22 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 17:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:22 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-03 13:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-03 17:30 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-03 18:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-03 18:52 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-07 10:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:18 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07 12:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 15:47 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-08 7:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 12:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 6:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-07 12:52 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 15:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 17:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08 6:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 10:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08 11:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 12:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08 13:27 ` Ingo Molnar
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