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From: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: "Hans Westgaard Ry" <hans.westgaard.ry@oracle.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Alexey Kuznetsov" <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Hideaki YOSHIFUJI" <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>,
	"Patrick McHardy" <kaber@trash.net>,
	"Tom Herbert" <tom@herbertland.com>,
	"Pablo Neira Ayuso" <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Florian Westphal" <fw@strlen.de>,
	"Jiri Pirko" <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"Alexander Duyck" <alexander.h.duyck@redhat.com>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Linus Lüssing" <linus.luessing@c0d3.blue>,
	"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	"Håkon Bugge" <haakon.bugge@oracle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] net:Add sysctl_max_skb_frags
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:03:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56B208C6.2080201@stressinduktion.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160203122052.GA28619@gondor.apana.org.au>

On 03.02.2016 13:20, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 12:36:21PM +0100, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote:
>>
>> Agreed that it feels like a hack, but a rather simple one. I would
>> consider this to be just a performance improvement. We certainly need
>> a slow-path when virtio drivers submit gso packets to the stack (and
>> already discussed with Hans). The sysctl can't help here. But without
>> the sysctl the packets would constantly hit the slow-path in case of
>> e.g. IPoIB and that would also be rather bad.
>
> So you want to penalise every NIC in the system if just one of
> them is broken? This is insane.  Just do the partial linearisation
> in that one driver that needs it and not only won't you have to
> penalise anyone else but you still get the best result for that
> driver that needs it.

Most normal Ethernet systems and drivers currently don't need tweating 
this knob at all, only some special kinds of installations. This patch 
referred to IPoIB as a possible user which drivers/firmware/cards seem 
to have this problem. Current behavior just leaves everything as-is.

If you use IPoIB you probably use it quite regular and linearizing an 
skbs *always* seems to be much more work than simply capping the number 
of frags globally.

> Besides, you have to implement the linearisation anyway because
> of virtualisation.

Yes, the slow-path is necessary. But instead of writing a new 
complicated linearizing function to just reduce the fragments we could 
also simply linearize it completely and ask the admin to also tune the 
vm guests.

I only see this tuning in kind in very specific environments where the 
admins now what they do.

Bye,
Hannes

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-03 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-06 13:16 [PATCH] net: add per device sg_max_frags for skb Hans Westgaard Ry
2016-01-06 13:59 ` David Laight
2016-01-08  9:55   ` Hans Westgaard Ry
2016-01-08 10:33     ` David Laight
2016-01-08 11:47     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-01-13 13:57       ` Hans Westgaard Ry
2016-01-13 14:19         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-13 14:20           ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-13 15:07           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-01-13 15:38           ` David Miller
2016-01-13 15:44             ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-13 21:07         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-01-27 13:20     ` [PATCH v2] net:Add sysctl_tcp_sg_max_skb_frags Hans Westgaard Ry
2016-01-27 15:15       ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-27 18:12         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-02-01 13:12           ` Hans Westgaard Ry
2016-01-27 20:13       ` David Miller
2016-02-03  8:26     ` [PATCH v3] net:Add sysctl_max_skb_frags Hans Westgaard Ry
2016-02-03 11:25       ` Herbert Xu
2016-02-03 11:36         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-02-03 12:20           ` Herbert Xu
2016-02-03 14:03             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa [this message]
2016-02-03 14:30             ` Eric Dumazet
2016-02-03 17:36             ` David Laight
2016-02-03 15:58       ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-03 16:07         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-02-03 17:43           ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-03 17:54             ` Eric Dumazet
2016-02-03 18:24               ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-03 19:23                 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-02-03 21:03                   ` Alexander Duyck
2016-02-09  9:30       ` David Miller
2016-01-06 14:05 ` [PATCH] net: add per device sg_max_frags for skb Eric Dumazet
2016-01-08 10:01   ` Hans Westgaard Ry

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